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It's not the replacement. The argument that "lignite" plants replaced nuclear power is mostly wrong. Especially not long term. But this argument is highly conve
by bayesian_horse 3y ago
It's not the replacement. The argument that "lignite" plants replaced nuclear power is mostly wrong. Especially not long term. But this argument is highly convenient for people who are delusional over the benefits of nuclear power.
- rhn_mk1 3y agoThere is a distinct increase of coal-burning plants in the article a couple years ago, suggesting that they are partially a replacement. But what I actually want to highlight is that every nuclear plant closed instead of a closed coal plant shows how much safety is valued by those making decisions. Because coal plants have been allowed to remain after forced closure of nuclear plants, safety is not the actual reason why nuclear plants are removed in Germany.
- bayesian_horse 3y agoThose coal plants aren't operating at peak capacity, or at all, in some case. The suggestion they are replacing nuclear power 1:1 is a highly convenient lie. The idea that coal power is less safe is bullshit. Nuclear power carries tail-heavy risk, coal plants have much more predictable risk. Nuclear power is only safer if you assume nothing happens that didn't happen in the past few decades and nobody actually deliberately blows up a nuclear power plant. Once you can't assume both, all risk calculations for nuclear power are meaningless.
- rhn_mk1 3y agoOperating at less than peak capacity doesn't make burning coal any more healthy, and doesn't make the decision to not retire them any more safety-oriented.
- bayesian_horse 3y agoYou still don't understand. A coal power plant that doesn't run doesn't produce harmful emissions. And at lower capacity they produce less emissions, proportionately. And you are still lying about coal being the only replacement for nuclear.
- rhn_mk1 3y agoThat's right, plants which don't run don't produce emissions. But they don't produce energy either. But read the article and look at 2020-2022: coal energy generation increased while nuclear decreased: https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb96cf5f0-dd6f-457e-bc79-2a1b9732dd0f_2450x1724.png https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_... This is a situation incompatible with a policy of increasing safety. Increasing safety means shutting down unsafe sources while keeping or rolling out safe sources, which is the opposite of the short-term trend. So the short-term policy goal was something other than safety.
- bayesian_horse 3y agoYou can't prove a long term trend via short term observation. That's kindergarden level...
- rhn_mk1 3y agoLet me spell out what short term phenomenon I'm addressing: "the short-term policy goal was something other than safety"
- dang 3y agoYou broke the site guidelines egregiously and repeatedly in this thread. Doing that will get you banned on HN. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35717960 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35717960.
- pbazarnik 3y agoGermany keeps expanding coal mines. https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2023/01/luetzerath-protests-german-coal-mine-expands/672696/ https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2023/01/luetzerath-protest... German TUV director on nuclear power plants: "The plants are in a technically excellent condition," Joachim Buehler, managing director at TUEV, told Reuters, adding that an extensive check, which is usually done every 10 years, was necessary but could be done within a few months. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germanys-gas-crisis-generates-nuclear-dilemma-ruling-greens-2022-07-15/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germanys-gas-crisis-...