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> I think the issue is that people who are paying for an account they are sharing are likely to keep the account active so their family members can continue wat

> I think the issue is that people who are paying for an account they are sharing are likely to keep the account active so their family members can continue watching. When the family are cut off, they cancel. That's the case for me indeed. I myself basically stopped watching Netflix, somehow the content doesn't do anything for me anymore. But I shared my account with family and they watch it. If this gets to us, and I'm the only one who can watch it, I'm for sure cancelling. The family members with whom I'm sharing the account are very unlikely to get their own account either. (Sharing accounts is a great form of stealth giving to family members who would otherwise not be able to afford such "luxuries". It's much easier to say "hey, I got one free account on my Spotify plan, would you like to use it? Otherwise, it will go to waste" as opposed to awkwardly offering money directly)

alexdunmow 4y ago
Interesting you say that the content doesn't appeal to you anymore. I feel the same way. My observation is that, for the most part, most of Netflix's original content is reality TV and comedy specials. They don't even seem to be bothering to create great content like Stranger Things anymore. We are at the enshittification of Netflix stage.
- therein 4y ago
  Yeah I cancelled my Netflix. 3 of my friends also did. None of us are interested in the kind of content they are pushing anymore. The drop in the stock price was expected news for everyone familiar with the service, at least in my circle.
- aszantu 4y ago
  I'm watching korean drama and fantasy, also chinese or spanish, they've got a different way of story telling, and I find the aesthetic appealing, can recommend sysyphus, or so, sci-fi and time-travel
- corbulo 4y ago
  Long been there. 'Hello this is Netflix, you've been greenlit, how may I help you?' was a South Park meme years ago.
  - alexdunmow 4y ago
    At least they were greenlighting interesting things as well back then. Now I think the main metric that gets you greenlit is being cheap to produce.
  - nmz 4y ago
    Seems like they never heard of the paradox of choice.
    - lazyasciiart 4y ago
      Their entire business model is that there is value in the long tail of possible choices. The paradox of choice is not a complete description of human behavior.
      - nmz 4y ago
        It is outdated. Streaming is now cable, which means the business model should revert back to be cable like. Get a couple of killer titles that carry the brand... Disney is doing this well with the Marvel titles. one ends, a new one starts, and they start putting ads of the "new" thing. In short, without quality, there is no choice.
- carom 4y ago
  I almost feel it is a problem with the thumbnails. Everything looks so unappealing. I've liked a few Netflix shows in the past year (heck if I could name them though), I have a profile on my brother's account, but I primarily watch through an IPTV service. When I browse in the Netflix app I cannot find a single thing I want to watch.
- pajko 4y ago
  Somehow good shows tend to get cancelled, and it's not worth starting to watch something if it's likely going to have the same fate. https://decider.com/list/canceled-netflix-original-shows/ https://decider.com/list/canceled-netflix-original-shows/
  - tomjen3 4y ago
    That and one of the great benefits of Netflix was that you could watch multiple seasons of a show, and that a season was 20 ish episodes. Now they do 7 episodes and call it a season and frequently their shows only have one or two seasons.
    - OJFord 4y ago
      And they have so many (non-'original') where they only have a few series available at the end or in the middle. I don't understand the licencing/purchasing decision that can lead to that. Seems to happen far too often for it to be different studios/licencors, obviously that happens sometimes. BBC's QI is one example. I understand new series not being available on Netflix (in the UK) as the BBC now have their own subscription platform. But it's not just that, because Netflix don't have the earliest ones either, just a seemingly random set in the middle, perhaps even non-contiguous.
      - nmz 4y ago
        Seems like a bad example, QI doesn't have a storyline ergo you don't need earlier seasons.
        OJFord 4y ago
        That's an argument for it not mattering, maybe, but still not a reason to do it?
        nmz 4y ago
        Why would you willingly not diversify your portfolio? Buy what you can when you can afford it. It seems like good business strategy?
- ricardobayes 4y ago
  I feel the same way, it's becoming harder and harder to find something interesting. Just the other night we opened it up and couldn't find anything in 5 minutes browsing and just went to watch TV instead. That's not the experience you want your users to have.
  - tomjen3 4y ago
    Not in the long term, but in the short it means you save bandwidth fees.
- mrweasel 4y ago
  To me it seems like Netflix is struggling to attract good script writers. Their productions are beautiful, but the scripts are terrible.
  - Firmwarrior 4y ago
    that's pretty much every script in Hollywood.. they hand out writing jobs via nepotism rather than merit That's why your average nigh-unreadable dogpoo novel off the bargain bin has writing on par with an excellent TV show or movie
- qzx_pierri 4y ago
  People are really sleeping on how amazing HBO Max is. Their catalog is so damn good.
  - autoexec 4y ago
    their catalog isn't as good as it used to be. They've cut a ton of content for seemingly zero reason recently (including their own shows like westworld). What I like best about HBO is that they have an A-Z listing of every show they have (something people have been asking Netflix for since day one of their streaming service) and how peaceful it is to use their platform. You can browse without anything auto-playing, you can pause a show for more than 3 seconds and ads don't start rapidly flashing on the screen, and shows don't jump to more ads immediately as credits start rolling so you can actually let an ending sink in without having to scramble for your remote. HBO max is just much nicer to use than netflix. I also really like their "last chance" section because things are leaving all the time and that gives you some warning.
    - thewebcount 4y ago
      > how peaceful it is to use their platform. > You can browse without anything auto-playing What? Has this changed recently? I mainly use their AppleTV app, and sometimes their web app. With the AppleTV app, there are a bunch of thumbnails that look like DVD covers. When you swipe over to one of them, at first nothing happens, but just as you're about to move to the next one, the one you're on expands shoving everything to right off the screen. Moving one-to-the-right, then causes everything to collapse down again for a second, until the newly selected thing suddenly expands for no reason. It's incredibly spastic and makes it very hard to get to a specific item. I could have sworn it auto-played a preview, too, but I might be misremembering that. If that's changed recently (I haven't browsed the app since "The Last of Us" ended), then great! But using it for the past year or two has been a non-starter. I just look up their shows in the search section of the AppleTV and add them to my Up Next queue so I can avoid interacting with their app at all costs. Hulu and Netflix seem to not be so painful to use. AppleTV+ used to be perfect but a recent update made it equally unusable. I set the Home Row on my AppleTV to be my "Up Next" queue, and now only interact with the TV app from the home screen. It has less functionality that way, but it also has none of the suckage.
- watwut 4y ago
  I have seen a single reality TV on Netlix. It is just not recommending them to me.
  - genewitch 4y ago
    Cold case files, the first 48, unsolved mysteries, any cooking show - "reality TV" is a huge market. It's not all toddlers and tiaras and big brother, those were just the "huge, impossible to ignore" ones.
    - watwut 4y ago
      I never seen literally any of those. Even if they were suggested at some point, I do not recall seeing them.
antoniojtorres 4y ago
Very much in the same boat. In my case my family is in Spain while i’m the US. Wonder how that’ll be policed.
airtag 4y ago
My situation exactly. We're sharing a 4 screen account with 3 friends and no-one even watches netflix every month - we just liked the idea of having access, in case we want to watch something. We already decided, when netflix doesn't allow low-use sharing any more, we'll just cancel and forget about it.

alexdunmow 4y ago

Interesting you say that the content doesn't appeal to you anymore. I feel the same way. My observation is that, for the most part, most of Netflix's original content is reality TV and comedy specials. They don't even seem to be bothering to create great content like Stranger Things anymore. We are at the enshittification of Netflix stage.

therein 4y ago
Yeah I cancelled my Netflix. 3 of my friends also did. None of us are interested in the kind of content they are pushing anymore. The drop in the stock price was expected news for everyone familiar with the service, at least in my circle.
aszantu 4y ago
I'm watching korean drama and fantasy, also chinese or spanish, they've got a different way of story telling, and I find the aesthetic appealing, can recommend sysyphus, or so, sci-fi and time-travel
corbulo 4y ago
Long been there. 'Hello this is Netflix, you've been greenlit, how may I help you?' was a South Park meme years ago.
- alexdunmow 4y ago
  At least they were greenlighting interesting things as well back then. Now I think the main metric that gets you greenlit is being cheap to produce.
- nmz 4y ago
  Seems like they never heard of the paradox of choice.
  - lazyasciiart 4y ago
    Their entire business model is that there is value in the long tail of possible choices. The paradox of choice is not a complete description of human behavior.
    - nmz 4y ago
      It is outdated. Streaming is now cable, which means the business model should revert back to be cable like. Get a couple of killer titles that carry the brand... Disney is doing this well with the Marvel titles. one ends, a new one starts, and they start putting ads of the "new" thing. In short, without quality, there is no choice.
carom 4y ago
I almost feel it is a problem with the thumbnails. Everything looks so unappealing. I've liked a few Netflix shows in the past year (heck if I could name them though), I have a profile on my brother's account, but I primarily watch through an IPTV service. When I browse in the Netflix app I cannot find a single thing I want to watch.
pajko 4y ago
Somehow good shows tend to get cancelled, and it's not worth starting to watch something if it's likely going to have the same fate. https://decider.com/list/canceled-netflix-original-shows/ https://decider.com/list/canceled-netflix-original-shows/
- tomjen3 4y ago
  That and one of the great benefits of Netflix was that you could watch multiple seasons of a show, and that a season was 20 ish episodes. Now they do 7 episodes and call it a season and frequently their shows only have one or two seasons.
  - OJFord 4y ago
    And they have so many (non-'original') where they only have a few series available at the end or in the middle. I don't understand the licencing/purchasing decision that can lead to that. Seems to happen far too often for it to be different studios/licencors, obviously that happens sometimes. BBC's QI is one example. I understand new series not being available on Netflix (in the UK) as the BBC now have their own subscription platform. But it's not just that, because Netflix don't have the earliest ones either, just a seemingly random set in the middle, perhaps even non-contiguous.
    - nmz 4y ago
      Seems like a bad example, QI doesn't have a storyline ergo you don't need earlier seasons.
      - OJFord 4y ago
        That's an argument for it not mattering, maybe, but still not a reason to do it?
        nmz 4y ago
        Why would you willingly not diversify your portfolio? Buy what you can when you can afford it. It seems like good business strategy?
ricardobayes 4y ago
I feel the same way, it's becoming harder and harder to find something interesting. Just the other night we opened it up and couldn't find anything in 5 minutes browsing and just went to watch TV instead. That's not the experience you want your users to have.
- tomjen3 4y ago
  Not in the long term, but in the short it means you save bandwidth fees.
mrweasel 4y ago
To me it seems like Netflix is struggling to attract good script writers. Their productions are beautiful, but the scripts are terrible.
- Firmwarrior 4y ago
  that's pretty much every script in Hollywood.. they hand out writing jobs via nepotism rather than merit That's why your average nigh-unreadable dogpoo novel off the bargain bin has writing on par with an excellent TV show or movie
qzx_pierri 4y ago
People are really sleeping on how amazing HBO Max is. Their catalog is so damn good.
- autoexec 4y ago
  their catalog isn't as good as it used to be. They've cut a ton of content for seemingly zero reason recently (including their own shows like westworld). What I like best about HBO is that they have an A-Z listing of every show they have (something people have been asking Netflix for since day one of their streaming service) and how peaceful it is to use their platform. You can browse without anything auto-playing, you can pause a show for more than 3 seconds and ads don't start rapidly flashing on the screen, and shows don't jump to more ads immediately as credits start rolling so you can actually let an ending sink in without having to scramble for your remote. HBO max is just much nicer to use than netflix. I also really like their "last chance" section because things are leaving all the time and that gives you some warning.
  - thewebcount 4y ago
    > how peaceful it is to use their platform. > You can browse without anything auto-playing What? Has this changed recently? I mainly use their AppleTV app, and sometimes their web app. With the AppleTV app, there are a bunch of thumbnails that look like DVD covers. When you swipe over to one of them, at first nothing happens, but just as you're about to move to the next one, the one you're on expands shoving everything to right off the screen. Moving one-to-the-right, then causes everything to collapse down again for a second, until the newly selected thing suddenly expands for no reason. It's incredibly spastic and makes it very hard to get to a specific item. I could have sworn it auto-played a preview, too, but I might be misremembering that. If that's changed recently (I haven't browsed the app since "The Last of Us" ended), then great! But using it for the past year or two has been a non-starter. I just look up their shows in the search section of the AppleTV and add them to my Up Next queue so I can avoid interacting with their app at all costs. Hulu and Netflix seem to not be so painful to use. AppleTV+ used to be perfect but a recent update made it equally unusable. I set the Home Row on my AppleTV to be my "Up Next" queue, and now only interact with the TV app from the home screen. It has less functionality that way, but it also has none of the suckage.
watwut 4y ago
I have seen a single reality TV on Netlix. It is just not recommending them to me.
- genewitch 4y ago
  Cold case files, the first 48, unsolved mysteries, any cooking show - "reality TV" is a huge market. It's not all toddlers and tiaras and big brother, those were just the "huge, impossible to ignore" ones.
  - watwut 4y ago
    I never seen literally any of those. Even if they were suggested at some point, I do not recall seeing them.

antoniojtorres 4y ago

Very much in the same boat. In my case my family is in Spain while i’m the US. Wonder how that’ll be policed.

airtag 4y ago

My situation exactly. We're sharing a 4 screen account with 3 friends and no-one even watches netflix every month - we just liked the idea of having access, in case we want to watch something. We already decided, when netflix doesn't allow low-use sharing any more, we'll just cancel and forget about it.