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> Crowdfunding, patronage. I'm sure they'll figure it out if they have to So basically every creator would have to have a rich patron/be funded by a government

by qwytw 4y ago

> Crowdfunding, patronage. I'm sure they'll figure it out if they have to So basically every creator would have to have a rich patron/be funded by a government/etc. who would obviously generally want to impose their own agendas? > Crowdfunding So unless an author already has a widespread reputation and a large group of people willing to support him he has no right to benefit from his works? Somebody who is completely unknown but ends up publishing a book which ends up widely popular gets absolutely nothing? I find it inconceivable bizarre that anyone would ever want to live in such a dark and intellectually subdued world for some ideological reason. I mean abolishing copyright would throw us back to the 15-16th century just with internet instead of the printing press...

dandellion 4y ago
But most of that happens already? That's how record labels and publishers do business. You are already living in that dark an intellectually subdued world. A few examples I remember: https://www.pcgamer.com/the-legal-war-over-disco-elysium-reaches-disco-elysium-levels-of-complexity/ https://www.pcgamer.com/the-legal-war-over-disco-elysium-rea... https://kotaku.com/witcher-author-threatens-cd-projekt-red-with-legal-acti-1829465193 https://kotaku.com/witcher-author-threatens-cd-projekt-red-w... https://www.dualshockers.com/nintendo-copyright-strikes-lawsuits-gary-bowser/ https://www.dualshockers.com/nintendo-copyright-strikes-laws... Copyright is not in place to protect the authors, but to protect the corporations that own the rights.
- qwytw 4y ago
  > Copyright is not in place to protect the authors, but to protect the corporations that own the rights. The system is not perfect, obviously. There are problems that need to be addressed. But I refuse to view the world in black and white terms Copyright does protect the author or at least most authors to varying degrees. Just go around and ask any author whether they'd prefer the entire concept of copyright to be abolished because it's used to "protect the corporations"... > You are already living in that dark an intellectually subdued world And I'm certain it could get even darker with no copyright protections at all.
  - dandellion 4y ago
    > I refuse to view the world in black and white terms But you are "certain" copyright is good, and removing it would be terrible. That's awfully close to painting things in black and white. > Just go around and ask any author I put all my work under open source licenses and creative commons. If copyright disappeared I would just continue to do so. Corporations would be screwed, but art can go on without them.
matheusmoreira 4y ago
> So basically every creator would have to have a rich patron/be funded by a government/etc. who would obviously generally want to impose their own agendas? Already a thing. They even have an euphemism for it: "producer". Every time you watch a film or something, look for the producers in the credits. Those are the guys with the money.
- qwytw 4y ago
  Generally their agenda is just to make more money. This is a relatively benign agenda and in certain cases allows (or used to anyway, not sure about nowadays...) authors a high degree of creative freedom. If it's no longer possible to make any profitable movies whatsoever, just try to imagine what happens... Well they managed to realize a couple of decent movies in the USSR so maybe the situation of 99% government or interest group funded cinema and TV production won't be utterly terrible just very miserable.

by qwytw 4y ago

dandellion 4y ago

But most of that happens already? That's how record labels and publishers do business. You are already living in that dark an intellectually subdued world. A few examples I remember: https://www.pcgamer.com/the-legal-war-over-disco-elysium-reaches-disco-elysium-levels-of-complexity/ https://www.pcgamer.com/the-legal-war-over-disco-elysium-rea... https://kotaku.com/witcher-author-threatens-cd-projekt-red-with-legal-acti-1829465193 https://kotaku.com/witcher-author-threatens-cd-projekt-red-w... https://www.dualshockers.com/nintendo-copyright-strikes-lawsuits-gary-bowser/ https://www.dualshockers.com/nintendo-copyright-strikes-laws... Copyright is not in place to protect the authors, but to protect the corporations that own the rights.

qwytw 4y ago
> Copyright is not in place to protect the authors, but to protect the corporations that own the rights. The system is not perfect, obviously. There are problems that need to be addressed. But I refuse to view the world in black and white terms Copyright does protect the author or at least most authors to varying degrees. Just go around and ask any author whether they'd prefer the entire concept of copyright to be abolished because it's used to "protect the corporations"... > You are already living in that dark an intellectually subdued world And I'm certain it could get even darker with no copyright protections at all.
- dandellion 4y ago
  > I refuse to view the world in black and white terms But you are "certain" copyright is good, and removing it would be terrible. That's awfully close to painting things in black and white. > Just go around and ask any author I put all my work under open source licenses and creative commons. If copyright disappeared I would just continue to do so. Corporations would be screwed, but art can go on without them.

matheusmoreira 4y ago

> So basically every creator would have to have a rich patron/be funded by a government/etc. who would obviously generally want to impose their own agendas? Already a thing. They even have an euphemism for it: "producer". Every time you watch a film or something, look for the producers in the credits. Those are the guys with the money.

qwytw 4y ago
Generally their agenda is just to make more money. This is a relatively benign agenda and in certain cases allows (or used to anyway, not sure about nowadays...) authors a high degree of creative freedom. If it's no longer possible to make any profitable movies whatsoever, just try to imagine what happens... Well they managed to realize a couple of decent movies in the USSR so maybe the situation of 99% government or interest group funded cinema and TV production won't be utterly terrible just very miserable.