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Apple regularly gives up customers' private data when requested, and they keep logs of it themselves[1]. [1] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html h

Apple regularly gives up customers' private data when requested, and they keep logs of it themselves[1]. [1] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html

goalieca 4y ago
So far apple has not been compelled by the courts to make a tool so they could decrypt the e2e stuff which now pretty much includes all iCloud content. As far as we publicly know.
- waboremo 4y ago
  Prior to ADP, agencies like FBI could actually access a lot of information from Apple, primarily because Apple stored keys alongside your data. Which meant even though iMessage content was encrypted (and therefore useless), they could still get a lot of information from a request to Apple -- and Apple hands over quite a lot. FBI had a document all about that in 2021. Also important to note, ADP is opt-in currently.
SXX 4y ago
But Apple now has Advanced Data Protection that add E2EE for majority of iCloud data and they only keep keys on your devices. Not that I have absolute trust in Apple, but Google don't even have that.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  Google had that four years before Advanced Data Protection existed. https://security.googleblog.com/2018/10/google-and-android-have-your-back-by.html https://security.googleblog.com/2018/10/google-and-android-h... Warning: this blog post has meaningless marketing-speak. It starts by saying Android is about choice but instead of announcing the ability to set your own backup provider, it just says how Google's Android backup service works, which is wholly unrelated to that first sentence.
  - j16sdiz 4y ago
    If you are talking about device backup, apple had it encrypted before Advanced data protection. If you are talking about other data, Google don't have it encrypted even today.
    - lern_too_spel 4y ago
      > If you are talking about device backup, apple had it encrypted before Advanced data protection. Not end to end: https://www.wired.com/story/apple-end-to-end-encryption-icloud-backups/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-end-to-end-encryption-iclo...
      - v4dok 4y ago
        Parent talks about device backup. Your link talks about iCloud backup. Different things
        lern_too_spel 4y ago
        Devices are backed up to iCloud. Same thing. https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/back-up-iphone-iph3ecf67d29/ios https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/back-up-iphone-iph3ec... https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud/view-and-manage-backups-mm122d3ef202/icloud https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud/view-and-manage-backu...

goalieca 4y ago

So far apple has not been compelled by the courts to make a tool so they could decrypt the e2e stuff which now pretty much includes all iCloud content. As far as we publicly know.

waboremo 4y ago
Prior to ADP, agencies like FBI could actually access a lot of information from Apple, primarily because Apple stored keys alongside your data. Which meant even though iMessage content was encrypted (and therefore useless), they could still get a lot of information from a request to Apple -- and Apple hands over quite a lot. FBI had a document all about that in 2021. Also important to note, ADP is opt-in currently.

SXX 4y ago

But Apple now has Advanced Data Protection that add E2EE for majority of iCloud data and they only keep keys on your devices. Not that I have absolute trust in Apple, but Google don't even have that.

lern_too_spel 4y ago
Google had that four years before Advanced Data Protection existed. https://security.googleblog.com/2018/10/google-and-android-have-your-back-by.html https://security.googleblog.com/2018/10/google-and-android-h... Warning: this blog post has meaningless marketing-speak. It starts by saying Android is about choice but instead of announcing the ability to set your own backup provider, it just says how Google's Android backup service works, which is wholly unrelated to that first sentence.
- j16sdiz 4y ago
  If you are talking about device backup, apple had it encrypted before Advanced data protection. If you are talking about other data, Google don't have it encrypted even today.
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    > If you are talking about device backup, apple had it encrypted before Advanced data protection. Not end to end: https://www.wired.com/story/apple-end-to-end-encryption-icloud-backups/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-end-to-end-encryption-iclo...
    - v4dok 4y ago
      Parent talks about device backup. Your link talks about iCloud backup. Different things
      - lern_too_spel 4y ago
        Devices are backed up to iCloud. Same thing. https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/back-up-iphone-iph3ecf67d29/ios https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/back-up-iphone-iph3ec... https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud/view-and-manage-backups-mm122d3ef202/icloud https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud/view-and-manage-backu...