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> vast, vast, vast majority of human history we have in fact had the ability to make sturdy, beautiful, long lasting furniture completely for free Again... Go

> vast, vast, vast majority of human history we have in fact had the ability to make sturdy, beautiful, long lasting furniture completely for free Again... Go visit and Egyptological museum. Go see how rough, compared to modern furniture, the royal masterpiece chairs were. For the 1599950 out of 1600000 years humans definitely could not afford or had any nice furniture. Absolute majority couldn't afford even rough sturdy, unnice furniture. And your comment about "free housing" is naive... It wasn't free and desirable places had their own issues. Taking a dump on companies like IKEA is very much the most condescending thing we could do. I certainly have experienced the inability to purchase even the most basic necessities, where IKEA would have provided some relief.

mandmandam 3y ago
... I didn't dump on Ikea anywhere. Not remotely. Neither did GP. Nor did I speak of comfort. Nor did GP. Perhaps you are taking context from elsewhere in the comments and misapplying it to this little thread? I spoke of beauty and sturdiness and longevity; nature, biodiversity. I've been to many museums; I've seen the thrones. Roughness doesn't matter when you're putting cushions on, or when your buns are tough from years without sitting on padded chairs. Your definition of nice furniture is very different from mine, clearly. I suggest that you might try to see things from a broader perspective. On your other points: Egypt wasn't known for its abundant forests - I don't know why you would expect great carpentry. Their cushions won't be in the museum, for what I hope are obvious reasons. You cannot seriously claim only the furniture of the last 50 years is nice, while excoriating me for my lack of knowledge of how ancient people lived. Go read some descriptions of Sumerian furniture. And yes, if you take your stone axe in 1.5 million BC, and clear a space, and build a house, it's free. Hard work - as I said - but free. No property taxes, no mortgage. Free. No HOA, no building standards... Free. There's nothing "naive" about that. What's patently naive is this insistence that only modern people have any sense of craftsmanship or comfort or quality - I say that because it's true, and you need to hear it; not to flame.
- JAlexoid 3y ago
  This thread is most definitely an opinion thread. Which is quite misguided, as you still can go to many places on this planet where literally all of what you wrote is true. There are vast swathes of land on this planet, where you can go and do exactly what our great ancestors did 1mil years ago. Not to mention that your whole opinion rests on the notion that labor is free.
  - mandmandam 3y ago
    > There are vast swathes of land on this planet, where you can go and do exactly what our great ancestors did 1mil years ago. You'll be eating microplastics, drinking polluted water, and enjoying a far smaller spread of biodiversity. As I said. There is nowhere on Earth that you can escape those facts any more. Microplastics and PFAs are on Mt Everest, and the Mariana Trench, and everywhere in between; and the Anthropocene Extinction is a real thing. I also explicitly pointed out the labor involved, so I don't understand why you keep calling that out like some sort of gotcha. Any luck researching Sumerian furniture? Nice, innit?

mandmandam 3y ago

... I didn't dump on Ikea anywhere. Not remotely. Neither did GP. Nor did I speak of comfort. Nor did GP. Perhaps you are taking context from elsewhere in the comments and misapplying it to this little thread? I spoke of beauty and sturdiness and longevity; nature, biodiversity. I've been to many museums; I've seen the thrones. Roughness doesn't matter when you're putting cushions on, or when your buns are tough from years without sitting on padded chairs. Your definition of nice furniture is very different from mine, clearly. I suggest that you might try to see things from a broader perspective. On your other points: Egypt wasn't known for its abundant forests - I don't know why you would expect great carpentry. Their cushions won't be in the museum, for what I hope are obvious reasons. You cannot seriously claim only the furniture of the last 50 years is nice, while excoriating me for my lack of knowledge of how ancient people lived. Go read some descriptions of Sumerian furniture. And yes, if you take your stone axe in 1.5 million BC, and clear a space, and build a house, it's free. Hard work - as I said - but free. No property taxes, no mortgage. Free. No HOA, no building standards... Free. There's nothing "naive" about that. What's patently naive is this insistence that only modern people have any sense of craftsmanship or comfort or quality - I say that because it's true, and you need to hear it; not to flame.

JAlexoid 3y ago
This thread is most definitely an opinion thread. Which is quite misguided, as you still can go to many places on this planet where literally all of what you wrote is true. There are vast swathes of land on this planet, where you can go and do exactly what our great ancestors did 1mil years ago. Not to mention that your whole opinion rests on the notion that labor is free.
- mandmandam 3y ago
  > There are vast swathes of land on this planet, where you can go and do exactly what our great ancestors did 1mil years ago. You'll be eating microplastics, drinking polluted water, and enjoying a far smaller spread of biodiversity. As I said. There is nowhere on Earth that you can escape those facts any more. Microplastics and PFAs are on Mt Everest, and the Mariana Trench, and everywhere in between; and the Anthropocene Extinction is a real thing. I also explicitly pointed out the labor involved, so I don't understand why you keep calling that out like some sort of gotcha. Any luck researching Sumerian furniture? Nice, innit?