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That's fair. My main objection is labeling _everyone_ as "pirates". Technically, yes, they are pirating the steam. But some of those people are also PAYING to

That's fair. My main objection is labeling _everyone_ as "pirates". Technically, yes, they are pirating the steam. But some of those people are also PAYING to watch plenty of games in whatever sport they are "pirating" streams for. Calling these people "pirates" fails to acknowledge that they are also "paying customers" who are frustrated with how complicated it has become to pay for the product they want to watch.

derefr 3y ago
The people that Mux are applying the word “pirate” to here are the people doing the streaming, not the people watching the streams. The people doing the streaming aren’t only “making paid content free to access”; they’re also putting up ads on these sites, making a profit off of IP they didn’t create. It’s analogous to bootlegging: buying a fake Gucci bag is not unethical; but producing one is.
- kmeisthax 3y ago
  More importantly, for-money streaming pirates are terrible customers Mux doesn't want to do business with. The kinds of pirates we're thinking about from a decade ago weren't trying to make a quick buck, so they were using things like BitTorrent that had everyone sharing bandwidth.
  - duskwuff 3y ago
    > More importantly, for-money streaming pirates are terrible customers Mux doesn't want to do business with. Yep. Their entire business is illegal, so breaking a few more laws by signing up for CDN service with a stolen credit card is no big deal.
PragmaticPulp 3y ago
> My main objection is labeling _everyone_ as "pirates". Technically, yes, they are pirating the steam. They (Mux) aren't doing that. The blog specifically talks about going after the people using their platform to distribute the streams, not the people trying to view them. Having your service used to distribute pirated material is not good. Becomes a big liability, especially if you aren't proactive in trying to stop it.
matsemann 3y ago
But they're not paying Mux. Why so angry at Mux for shutting down abuse of their system? The whole comment section is weird. Is people not realizing Mux has nothing to do with sports rights? They're just a streaming provider that gets misused and have to foot the bill when people use them to stream stuff illegally.

derefr 3y ago

The people that Mux are applying the word “pirate” to here are the people doing the streaming, not the people watching the streams. The people doing the streaming aren’t only “making paid content free to access”; they’re also putting up ads on these sites, making a profit off of IP they didn’t create. It’s analogous to bootlegging: buying a fake Gucci bag is not unethical; but producing one is.

kmeisthax 3y ago
More importantly, for-money streaming pirates are terrible customers Mux doesn't want to do business with. The kinds of pirates we're thinking about from a decade ago weren't trying to make a quick buck, so they were using things like BitTorrent that had everyone sharing bandwidth.
- duskwuff 3y ago
  > More importantly, for-money streaming pirates are terrible customers Mux doesn't want to do business with. Yep. Their entire business is illegal, so breaking a few more laws by signing up for CDN service with a stolen credit card is no big deal.

PragmaticPulp 3y ago

> My main objection is labeling _everyone_ as "pirates". Technically, yes, they are pirating the steam. They (Mux) aren't doing that. The blog specifically talks about going after the people using their platform to distribute the streams, not the people trying to view them. Having your service used to distribute pirated material is not good. Becomes a big liability, especially if you aren't proactive in trying to stop it.

matsemann 3y ago

But they're not paying Mux. Why so angry at Mux for shutting down abuse of their system? The whole comment section is weird. Is people not realizing Mux has nothing to do with sports rights? They're just a streaming provider that gets misused and have to foot the bill when people use them to stream stuff illegally.