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His video was mainly about how that chart is inaccurate and outdated. For example, 12:50 in the video. From what I understood, one of the main downsides of the
by broof 3y ago
His video was mainly about how that chart is inaccurate and outdated. For example, 12:50 in the video. From what I understood, one of the main downsides of the chart is it focuses on tongue position, but not lip position. There are different vowel sounds that have identical tongue positions but different lip positions.
- meepmorp 3y agoThe IPA vowel chart does show lip rounding - the positions in the chart have pairs of vowels, the first is unrounded (e.g. /i/) and the second rounded (e.g., /y/). And, tbh, it's a binary feature unlike tongue positioning.
- broof 3y agoit is not binary. Did you watch the video?
- meepmorp 3y agoNo, but I took a few phonetics classes in grad school. Does that put me ahead or behind watching the video?
- broof 3y agoI don't know, I wasn't in your classes. You would probably find the video interesting nonetheless. It's from a UCLA professor and is in part specifically about how he at least partially disagrees with the way that phonetics are traditionally taught.
- bradrn 3y agoIt’s inaccurate, but honestly not too inaccurate. The revised chart he ends up with is pretty similar to the traditional one. The important thing is to think of it as a simplified graph in formant space, rather than as directly showing tongue/lip positions. > From what I understood, one of the main downsides of the chart is it focuses on tongue position, but not lip position. The main downside is that it claims to focus on tongue position, but really it uses a weird, poorly-defined hybrid of acoustic and articulatory criteria. Lindsey’s point is that focussing on acoustics alone lets us produce a diagram which is generally more sensible and more principled, but still very similar to the traditional one.