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I think the biggest gain is actually EV in commercial vehicles. Like delivery vans, construction vans and work vans in the bigger cities. Those vans are quieter

by aynyc 3y ago

I think the biggest gain is actually EV in commercial vehicles. Like delivery vans, construction vans and work vans in the bigger cities. Those vans are quieter, NEVER IDLES!!!, less polluting, and don't required 300 miles range (I read average miles driven is 75 miles per day), usually return to shops where they can be charged. Given the right incentive and competitive pricing, I definitely see a huge win there both in global warming and quality of life in neighborhoods.

readthenotes1 3y ago
What could go wrong? https://youtu.be/T71cVhxG_v4 https://youtu.be/T71cVhxG_v4 https://youtu.be/5r-yN8SugWM https://youtu.be/5r-yN8SugWM https://youtu.be/_8YClwsWTyU https://youtu.be/_8YClwsWTyU https://youtu.be/tnNqBgOeCUQ https://youtu.be/tnNqBgOeCUQ Might be a few things to iron out...
- jeffrallen 3y ago
  Maybe it's just buses are flammable: https://youtu.be/_oP9bQxl3to https://youtu.be/_oP9bQxl3to
- worik 3y ago
  The very definition of Cherry Picking Batteries that store vast amounts of potential energy are a fire risk, duh! Just like tanks of petroleum.
  - readthenotes1 3y ago
    And so easy to pick!
- recursive 3y ago
  Yes, EVs haven't yet reached the goal of zero fires, but they're closer than fossil fuel-powered vehicles. https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involved-in-fewest-car-fires/ https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involve...
amalcon 3y ago
Work vans and cargo vans are two of the best markets here, since work vans spend a lot of time parked at jobsites and cargo vans spend a lot of time parked loading/unloading. Ford has even had some brilliant marketing on their electric transit: it's got an inverter built in, so you can just plug your tools into the van. Issues are the same as always, though: up-front sticker shock, and even at the too-high up-front prices, they just can't manufacture enough of them to meet demand. That type of incentive can help with the former, but have a limited effect on the latter. This is why some of these new battery technologies are so exciting, even though we all know most of them won't pan out.
rektide 3y ago
Just to add on, many of these vehicles actually get a lot more daily mileage than a there-and-back commuter. Their effective usage can be much much higher, which makes any efficiency/pollution savings proportionally more prevalent. People buy long range cars not for commutes but because they want to be able to go on trips. If we can right-size EV's for commercial usage, the up front expense might be lessened even more.

by aynyc 3y ago

readthenotes1 3y ago

What could go wrong? https://youtu.be/T71cVhxG_v4 https://youtu.be/T71cVhxG_v4 https://youtu.be/5r-yN8SugWM https://youtu.be/5r-yN8SugWM https://youtu.be/_8YClwsWTyU https://youtu.be/_8YClwsWTyU https://youtu.be/tnNqBgOeCUQ https://youtu.be/tnNqBgOeCUQ Might be a few things to iron out...

jeffrallen 3y ago
Maybe it's just buses are flammable: https://youtu.be/_oP9bQxl3to https://youtu.be/_oP9bQxl3to
worik 3y ago
The very definition of Cherry Picking Batteries that store vast amounts of potential energy are a fire risk, duh! Just like tanks of petroleum.
- readthenotes1 3y ago
  And so easy to pick!
recursive 3y ago
Yes, EVs haven't yet reached the goal of zero fires, but they're closer than fossil fuel-powered vehicles. https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involved-in-fewest-car-fires/ https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involve...

amalcon 3y ago

Work vans and cargo vans are two of the best markets here, since work vans spend a lot of time parked at jobsites and cargo vans spend a lot of time parked loading/unloading. Ford has even had some brilliant marketing on their electric transit: it's got an inverter built in, so you can just plug your tools into the van. Issues are the same as always, though: up-front sticker shock, and even at the too-high up-front prices, they just can't manufacture enough of them to meet demand. That type of incentive can help with the former, but have a limited effect on the latter. This is why some of these new battery technologies are so exciting, even though we all know most of them won't pan out.

rektide 3y ago

Just to add on, many of these vehicles actually get a lot more daily mileage than a there-and-back commuter. Their effective usage can be much much higher, which makes any efficiency/pollution savings proportionally more prevalent. People buy long range cars not for commutes but because they want to be able to go on trips. If we can right-size EV's for commercial usage, the up front expense might be lessened even more.