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First off: If you're going to reference something as a way of proving your point, without any other supporting evidence, please post a link. Secondly: Microsof

by hatsix 3y ago

First off: If you're going to reference something as a way of proving your point, without any other supporting evidence, please post a link. Secondly: Microsoft voluntarily changed their practices regarding IE and Teams in order to appease regulators during active litigation. Their practices regarding IE happened during the US v Microsoft that required MS be split, but was later appealed, and given the changes that happened in the meantime, the DoJ agreed to not seek to break up MS. The Teams unbundling is actively happening now, see: https://www.engadget.com/microsoft-will-reportedly-unbundle-teams-from-office-to-avoid-antitrust-concerns-183139403.html https://www.engadget.com/microsoft-will-reportedly-unbundle-... It's undisputed that they are a monopoly on their platform. It's a legal finding that they are a duopoly when it comes to "Mobile Gaming" and that several of their practices violate anti-competitive laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple#Decision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple#Decision The OP is saying that Apple should be held to the same standards that Microsoft/IE was and be forced to allow other marketplaces on their phones. 35 States Attorneys General, AND Microsoft agree with this and have filed Amicus Briefs to this point. This is not some fringe viewpoint. At the very least, Apple should be forced to allow full browsers on their platform, not wrappers around the safari rendering engine, which is directly in-line with the changes made during the US v Microsoft lawsuit and subsequent settlement, and while there was no legal finding related to these changes, they appeased the DoJ enough to settle.

scarface74 3y ago
> First off: If you're going to reference something as a way of proving your point, without any other supporting evidence, please post a link. I really need to post a link that Epic literally just lost the case to Apple when Epic argued the same thing? It was just discussed here yesterday. https://techcrunch.com/2023/04/24/apple-wins-antitrust-court-battle-with-epic-games-appeals-court-rules/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/04/24/apple-wins-antitrust-court... > Microsoft voluntarily changed their practices regarding IE and Teams in order to appease regulators during active litigation. Their practices regarding IE happened during the US v Microsoft that required MS be split, but was later appealed, and given the changes that happened in the meantime, the DoJ agreed to not seek to break up MS. That also never happened. There has never been a time since IE was bundled with Windows that it hasn’t been bundled. The DOJ did not “decide” to drop the case because MS stopped bundling IE. They lost on appeal and the new administration didn’t pursue it. > The Teams unbundling is actively You are linking to a “rumor”??? Did you read your own Wikipedia link? “ Rogers found in favor of Apple on nine of ten counts brought up against them in the case, including Epic's charges related to Apple's 30% revenue cut and Apple's prohibition against third-party marketplaces on the iOS environment.” > which is directly in-line with the changes made during the US v Microsoft lawsuit Those “findings” never happened in the US. Which version of Windows was not bundled with IE since 2000?

by hatsix 3y ago

scarface74 3y ago

> First off: If you're going to reference something as a way of proving your point, without any other supporting evidence, please post a link. I really need to post a link that Epic literally just lost the case to Apple when Epic argued the same thing? It was just discussed here yesterday. https://techcrunch.com/2023/04/24/apple-wins-antitrust-court-battle-with-epic-games-appeals-court-rules/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/04/24/apple-wins-antitrust-court... > Microsoft voluntarily changed their practices regarding IE and Teams in order to appease regulators during active litigation. Their practices regarding IE happened during the US v Microsoft that required MS be split, but was later appealed, and given the changes that happened in the meantime, the DoJ agreed to not seek to break up MS. That also never happened. There has never been a time since IE was bundled with Windows that it hasn’t been bundled. The DOJ did not “decide” to drop the case because MS stopped bundling IE. They lost on appeal and the new administration didn’t pursue it. > The Teams unbundling is actively You are linking to a “rumor”??? Did you read your own Wikipedia link? “ Rogers found in favor of Apple on nine of ten counts brought up against them in the case, including Epic's charges related to Apple's 30% revenue cut and Apple's prohibition against third-party marketplaces on the iOS environment.” > which is directly in-line with the changes made during the US v Microsoft lawsuit Those “findings” never happened in the US. Which version of Windows was not bundled with IE since 2000?