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Wow. I can say from experience that the difference between 1/4 N and 3x N of melatonin is being slightly more sleepy before bed vs having a night of insane drea

Wow. I can say from experience that the difference between 1/4 N and 3x N of melatonin is being slightly more sleepy before bed vs having a night of insane dreams, no deep sleep, and waking up with a headache that Tylenol can’t fix. The lack of regulation and consistency in the vitamin and supplement business continues to blow my mind.

lancesells 3y ago
I don't think I'll ever take Melatonin again because of the inconsistency and the crazy dreams.
- Arrath 3y ago
  Same for me. At this point if I truly need to zonk out I'll just pop a benadryl.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  What kind of dreams/nightmares? Sat eyeballing some melatonin I got today.
  - unmole 3y ago
    Sample size of 1 but I have never had any weird dreams, headaches, sedation or any other I'll effects from melatonin. It does help me fall asleep faster but doesn't actually improve sleep quality or duration. If I'll effects were so common, demand wouldn't be so high. I'd suggest trying it out for yourself.
  - salad-tycoon 3y ago
    Vivid disconcerting dreams can happen. For me, it would cause sleep paralysis where my brain would wake up and I could not move my body. I would be wide awake and paralyzed. Then panic as I felt like I could not control my breathing and would imagine that if an emergency happened I would be entirely immobilized. Personally I used these moments as teaching moments and worked through them but it’s hard to explain the sheer terror of waking up, fully alert and fully “locked in.”
    - c-hendricks 3y ago
      Not to diminish your old hag but this dates back centuries, not necessarily linked to melatonin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_hag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_hag
  - lancesells 3y ago
    A little hard to explain but not fun dreams and has happened enough times to never do it again. Skip the melatonin and smoke some weed or ingest some mushrooms.
sverona 3y ago
I'm vegan and have been suffering from chronic insomnia lately. I tried a (vegan) melatonin supplement and reliably got nightmares about the food industry. 0/10, would not recommend. I spoke to my PCP about it yesterday and got a script for hydroxyzine pamoate. We shall see if it works.
- salad-tycoon 3y ago
  Hi, I am not a vegan. I struggled with bad insomnia for years. My research has identified the following. It may be of use to others in their own research. Obviously before taking a supplement or drug you should try sleep hygiene and breathe work or relaxing music/audiobook. Sometimes, that isn’t enough. Consistent bad sleep can be indicative of a medical problem, so don’t just sleep on it if it persists or you have other symptoms. I like to minimize what I use and never one thing for more than a few days, so I rotate and use only as needed. L-Theanine, valerian root, Mg (I prefer gluconate. Some Mg forms are just bowl prep[they make you poop]). Amazon basics is decent. Taurine. There is also Phenibut. Big caution sign here, source is important there so tread carefully but it is an effective gabanergic and gives great sleep. Big warning sign, use responsibly as dependency very real on this one, not to be used regularly. When all else fails this works. Takes an hour or so however and food decreases its effect. There is a small abuse potential, so again caution and be informed. Then you have your prescription drugs remeron, gabapentin, trazadone, hydroxyzine, etc. Ambien is an evil medication. Hard recommendation to avoid at all costs. Addictive, abusable, and many reports of sleep sex/driving/buying/etc. Bad. Bad. Bad. There are other z drugs but luckily those aren’t commonly given out. Just be cautious of what someone will prescribe you, dependency sucks. Rebound insomnia really sucks. As such, I like Mg and taurine. Generally safe for healthy individuals, generally a wider range of safe dosing, cheap, high quality suppliers are out there and can have other positive side effects. Certain diets can be deficient in particular amino acids and nutrients. The stricter the diet the bigger the risk. Plenty of resources to analyze diet out there. Good resources for supplement information: examine.com with some free info Pay walled professional site http://naturalmedicines.therapeuticresearch.com/ http://naturalmedicines.therapeuticresearch.com/ Pubmed.

lancesells 3y ago

I don't think I'll ever take Melatonin again because of the inconsistency and the crazy dreams.

Arrath 3y ago
Same for me. At this point if I truly need to zonk out I'll just pop a benadryl.
hammyhavoc 3y ago
What kind of dreams/nightmares? Sat eyeballing some melatonin I got today.
- unmole 3y ago
  Sample size of 1 but I have never had any weird dreams, headaches, sedation or any other I'll effects from melatonin. It does help me fall asleep faster but doesn't actually improve sleep quality or duration. If I'll effects were so common, demand wouldn't be so high. I'd suggest trying it out for yourself.
- salad-tycoon 3y ago
  Vivid disconcerting dreams can happen. For me, it would cause sleep paralysis where my brain would wake up and I could not move my body. I would be wide awake and paralyzed. Then panic as I felt like I could not control my breathing and would imagine that if an emergency happened I would be entirely immobilized. Personally I used these moments as teaching moments and worked through them but it’s hard to explain the sheer terror of waking up, fully alert and fully “locked in.”
  - c-hendricks 3y ago
    Not to diminish your old hag but this dates back centuries, not necessarily linked to melatonin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_hag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_hag
- lancesells 3y ago
  A little hard to explain but not fun dreams and has happened enough times to never do it again. Skip the melatonin and smoke some weed or ingest some mushrooms.

sverona 3y ago

I'm vegan and have been suffering from chronic insomnia lately. I tried a (vegan) melatonin supplement and reliably got nightmares about the food industry. 0/10, would not recommend. I spoke to my PCP about it yesterday and got a script for hydroxyzine pamoate. We shall see if it works.

salad-tycoon 3y ago
Hi, I am not a vegan. I struggled with bad insomnia for years. My research has identified the following. It may be of use to others in their own research. Obviously before taking a supplement or drug you should try sleep hygiene and breathe work or relaxing music/audiobook. Sometimes, that isn’t enough. Consistent bad sleep can be indicative of a medical problem, so don’t just sleep on it if it persists or you have other symptoms. I like to minimize what I use and never one thing for more than a few days, so I rotate and use only as needed. L-Theanine, valerian root, Mg (I prefer gluconate. Some Mg forms are just bowl prep[they make you poop]). Amazon basics is decent. Taurine. There is also Phenibut. Big caution sign here, source is important there so tread carefully but it is an effective gabanergic and gives great sleep. Big warning sign, use responsibly as dependency very real on this one, not to be used regularly. When all else fails this works. Takes an hour or so however and food decreases its effect. There is a small abuse potential, so again caution and be informed. Then you have your prescription drugs remeron, gabapentin, trazadone, hydroxyzine, etc. Ambien is an evil medication. Hard recommendation to avoid at all costs. Addictive, abusable, and many reports of sleep sex/driving/buying/etc. Bad. Bad. Bad. There are other z drugs but luckily those aren’t commonly given out. Just be cautious of what someone will prescribe you, dependency sucks. Rebound insomnia really sucks. As such, I like Mg and taurine. Generally safe for healthy individuals, generally a wider range of safe dosing, cheap, high quality suppliers are out there and can have other positive side effects. Certain diets can be deficient in particular amino acids and nutrients. The stricter the diet the bigger the risk. Plenty of resources to analyze diet out there. Good resources for supplement information: examine.com with some free info Pay walled professional site http://naturalmedicines.therapeuticresearch.com/ http://naturalmedicines.therapeuticresearch.com/ Pubmed.