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why do you shoot the messenger? yeah they did a bit of advertisement to their phone, who cares. what matters is that now even freaking basic hardware pushes you

by mk89 3y ago

why do you shoot the messenger? yeah they did a bit of advertisement to their phone, who cares. what matters is that now even freaking basic hardware pushes your data wherever they want without asking you. I really wonder if this had been a Chinese company the kind of comments we would have seen here.

rcxdude 3y ago
Because the part about is being the hardware is false. This behaviour is entirely part of the OS. It's still bad, especially if the OSS ROM is not making users aware of it (though neither really are the manufacturers: burying this shit in a pages-long policy which the user cannot freely decline does not qualify for GDPR consent either). It's very easy to make android look bad from a privacy point of view, you don't need to make things up to do so.
- rickdeckard 3y ago
  Worth to note that on a manufacturer implementation the consent is not buried in some pages-long policy. It's an explicit, separate item, which contains "sends your location data" and "may operate even when no apps are running" in the first paragraph. Example: https://lgk20.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/57-60.jpg https://lgk20.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/57-60.jpg
  - rcxdude 3y ago
    My phone (from Sony) uses this and is making these requests, and I can neither find anything in settings which would allow me to opt out, nor do I remember such an example during set-up (and I always go out of my way to refuse such things).
    - rickdeckard 3y ago
      I don't know which Sony device you have, but the setting is probably in [Settings]-[About Phone]-[Usage info settings]. The question about data-collection is asked during initial setup (iirc depending on Android version it's either on the very first page of the startup wizard labeled "Important Information", or it's shown as a Notification after the Wizard is completed), but I admit Sony has a quite elaborate list of License Agreements and they make it quite "frictionless" to just confirm everything. Anyway, I can't tell how Sony implemented it across all its models and years, but to stay on-topic, community-OS's are not really a benchmark for End-User License Agreements on privacy-data (which is what that company in this article was benchmarking against its commercial product)
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by mk89 3y ago

rcxdude 3y ago

Because the part about is being the hardware is false. This behaviour is entirely part of the OS. It's still bad, especially if the OSS ROM is not making users aware of it (though neither really are the manufacturers: burying this shit in a pages-long policy which the user cannot freely decline does not qualify for GDPR consent either). It's very easy to make android look bad from a privacy point of view, you don't need to make things up to do so.

rickdeckard 3y ago
Worth to note that on a manufacturer implementation the consent is not buried in some pages-long policy. It's an explicit, separate item, which contains "sends your location data" and "may operate even when no apps are running" in the first paragraph. Example: https://lgk20.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/57-60.jpg https://lgk20.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/57-60.jpg
- rcxdude 3y ago
  My phone (from Sony) uses this and is making these requests, and I can neither find anything in settings which would allow me to opt out, nor do I remember such an example during set-up (and I always go out of my way to refuse such things).
  - rickdeckard 3y ago
    I don't know which Sony device you have, but the setting is probably in [Settings]-[About Phone]-[Usage info settings]. The question about data-collection is asked during initial setup (iirc depending on Android version it's either on the very first page of the startup wizard labeled "Important Information", or it's shown as a Notification after the Wizard is completed), but I admit Sony has a quite elaborate list of License Agreements and they make it quite "frictionless" to just confirm everything. Anyway, I can't tell how Sony implemented it across all its models and years, but to stay on-topic, community-OS's are not really a benchmark for End-User License Agreements on privacy-data (which is what that company in this article was benchmarking against its commercial product)

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