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Hey I recognize that name. He's the guy who wrote a book about some new cosmology he came up with from making a small modification to relativity that he claimed

Hey I recognize that name. He's the guy who wrote a book about some new cosmology he came up with from making a small modification to relativity that he claimed, among other things and IIRC, explained the Ganymede Mass Anomaly, that black holes were time-reversed white-holes from the other (time reversed from us) side of a hyperspherical universe, that the expansion of the universe is an illusion created by the curvature of said hpyersphere, and probably some other stuff I don't remember. His work is attractive to laymen like myself, but any rational person has to wonder why, if his claims have any validity, he has been ignored completely by the wider physics community (which is to say, people who actually know shit, unlike most of us). Your call to "watch the video and you'll never talk about galaxy rotation curves again" sounds a whole lot like similar statements made about such nonsense as "There are no forests on Earth", so if you honestly believe this guy should be taken seriously for some reason I would suggest a change in approach.

Maursault 3y ago
Near as I can tell, Alexander Franklin Mayer is an MIT educated physicist that was associated with Stanford's Department of Physics, where he lectured.[1] He published a book titled On the Geometry of Time in Physics and Cosmology and the Fall of the Canonical Cosmological Model[2] I can find no evidence or even remote hints of his connection to anything you have listed. But even as generous as your comment is, fundamentally you are making an ad hominem argument, effectively saying, "this guy is a crackpot, why should we listen to him?" It doesn't matter who he is. One must examine the assertions and findings detailed in his lecture, and only if flaws can be found there can his tidal theory explaining galaxy rotation curves be defeated. As such, between you and dubious commenter pfdietz, Mayer's lecture, assertions, findings and conclusions stand entirely unopposed by HN commenters. There seems to be a strong sense of bandwagon among HN members, that because Dark Matter Theory is now paradigmatic, Dark Matter has to be proven not to exist for it to be defeated. But proving things don't exist is not the realm of science while finding simpler explanations for physical phenomena often is. Mayer's explanation for galaxy rotation curves is simple, elegant, and compelling, and it is interesting that no one at HN wants to take it head on but instead will employ the all too common hand wave and other fallacious arguments. Look at it. Figure out why it is wrong or don't. But the argument that if it was true we would all know about it and Mayer would be famous is not in the slightest way persuasive. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20060207030527/http://www.stanford.edu/~afmayer/ https://web.archive.org/web/20060207030527/http://www.stanfo... [2] https://www.sensibleuniverse.net/pages/book.html https://www.sensibleuniverse.net/pages/book.html
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 3y ago
  > I can find no evidence or even remote hints of his connection to anything you have listed It took a while, but I think I found the PDF of the book I was talking about [0]. > fundamentally you are making an ad hominem argument, effectively saying, "this guy is a crackpot, why should we listen to him?" Kinda, not really. I'm saying that if my recollection is correct this guy has expressed wild ideas before that were also ignored by the physics community and therefore it is worth viewing his works with suspicion because we are not qualified to evaluate it, but people who are have apparently decided it wasn't worth much. > It doesn't matter who he is. One must examine the assertions and findings detailed in his lecture, and only if flaws can be found there can his tidal theory explaining galaxy rotation curves be defeated. Sure, admittedly. So, why aren't any physicists giving this idea the time of day? As I was pretty clear about in my post, I do not consider myself (nor you) qualified to assess his work in anything more than an armchair manner. The fact that his ideas don't seem to be something other physicists take seriously is something of an indicator that maybe I shouldn't either. > Mayer's explanation for galaxy rotation curves is simple, elegant, and compelling, and it is interesting that no one at HN wants to take it head on Because we are not physicists, as I assume you aren't either. Go to a forum full of physicists if you want a real assessment of its worth. We, being not physicists ourselves, can only judge its merit by proxy and intuition. The latter of those is especially dubious and especially prone to liking simple, elegant, compelling, and utterly wrong ideas. > but instead will employ the all too common hand wave and other fallacious arguments. Look at it. Figure out why it is wrong or don't. Strong words for someone who's response to all of this is "watch the video and you'll understand". Hand wave indeed. [0] entitled The Many Directions of Time: http://www.5ision.org/GTR/amayer_the-many-directions-of-time_523.pdf http://www.5ision.org/GTR/amayer_the-many-directions-of-time...
  - Maursault 3y ago
    > I think I found the PDF of the book I was talking about Thank you for taking the time. My search fu is admittedly weak. That you've consumed this is also impressive. > So, why aren't any physicists giving this idea the time of day? Bandwagon. > As I was pretty clear about in my post, I do not consider myself (nor you) qualified to assess his work in anything more than an armchair manner. Ad hominem. > Strong words for someone who's response to all of this is "watch the video and you'll understand". Hand wave indeed. First, recognize the fallacies you're employing. The video lecture and slides use high school level Newtonian physics to explain galaxy rotation clusters. If you understood the physics in his book, the physics in the video should be child's play. It is not remotely difficult to understand. And it is possible for a layman to evaluate it for rigor without referring to the theorist or other physicists.

Maursault 3y ago

Near as I can tell, Alexander Franklin Mayer is an MIT educated physicist that was associated with Stanford's Department of Physics, where he lectured.[1] He published a book titled On the Geometry of Time in Physics and Cosmology and the Fall of the Canonical Cosmological Model[2] I can find no evidence or even remote hints of his connection to anything you have listed. But even as generous as your comment is, fundamentally you are making an ad hominem argument, effectively saying, "this guy is a crackpot, why should we listen to him?" It doesn't matter who he is. One must examine the assertions and findings detailed in his lecture, and only if flaws can be found there can his tidal theory explaining galaxy rotation curves be defeated. As such, between you and dubious commenter pfdietz, Mayer's lecture, assertions, findings and conclusions stand entirely unopposed by HN commenters. There seems to be a strong sense of bandwagon among HN members, that because Dark Matter Theory is now paradigmatic, Dark Matter has to be proven not to exist for it to be defeated. But proving things don't exist is not the realm of science while finding simpler explanations for physical phenomena often is. Mayer's explanation for galaxy rotation curves is simple, elegant, and compelling, and it is interesting that no one at HN wants to take it head on but instead will employ the all too common hand wave and other fallacious arguments. Look at it. Figure out why it is wrong or don't. But the argument that if it was true we would all know about it and Mayer would be famous is not in the slightest way persuasive. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20060207030527/http://www.stanford.edu/~afmayer/ https://web.archive.org/web/20060207030527/http://www.stanfo... [2] https://www.sensibleuniverse.net/pages/book.html https://www.sensibleuniverse.net/pages/book.html

AnIdiotOnTheNet 3y ago
> I can find no evidence or even remote hints of his connection to anything you have listed It took a while, but I think I found the PDF of the book I was talking about [0]. > fundamentally you are making an ad hominem argument, effectively saying, "this guy is a crackpot, why should we listen to him?" Kinda, not really. I'm saying that if my recollection is correct this guy has expressed wild ideas before that were also ignored by the physics community and therefore it is worth viewing his works with suspicion because we are not qualified to evaluate it, but people who are have apparently decided it wasn't worth much. > It doesn't matter who he is. One must examine the assertions and findings detailed in his lecture, and only if flaws can be found there can his tidal theory explaining galaxy rotation curves be defeated. Sure, admittedly. So, why aren't any physicists giving this idea the time of day? As I was pretty clear about in my post, I do not consider myself (nor you) qualified to assess his work in anything more than an armchair manner. The fact that his ideas don't seem to be something other physicists take seriously is something of an indicator that maybe I shouldn't either. > Mayer's explanation for galaxy rotation curves is simple, elegant, and compelling, and it is interesting that no one at HN wants to take it head on Because we are not physicists, as I assume you aren't either. Go to a forum full of physicists if you want a real assessment of its worth. We, being not physicists ourselves, can only judge its merit by proxy and intuition. The latter of those is especially dubious and especially prone to liking simple, elegant, compelling, and utterly wrong ideas. > but instead will employ the all too common hand wave and other fallacious arguments. Look at it. Figure out why it is wrong or don't. Strong words for someone who's response to all of this is "watch the video and you'll understand". Hand wave indeed. [0] entitled The Many Directions of Time: http://www.5ision.org/GTR/amayer_the-many-directions-of-time_523.pdf http://www.5ision.org/GTR/amayer_the-many-directions-of-time...
- Maursault 3y ago
  > I think I found the PDF of the book I was talking about Thank you for taking the time. My search fu is admittedly weak. That you've consumed this is also impressive. > So, why aren't any physicists giving this idea the time of day? Bandwagon. > As I was pretty clear about in my post, I do not consider myself (nor you) qualified to assess his work in anything more than an armchair manner. Ad hominem. > Strong words for someone who's response to all of this is "watch the video and you'll understand". Hand wave indeed. First, recognize the fallacies you're employing. The video lecture and slides use high school level Newtonian physics to explain galaxy rotation clusters. If you understood the physics in his book, the physics in the video should be child's play. It is not remotely difficult to understand. And it is possible for a layman to evaluate it for rigor without referring to the theorist or other physicists.