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>Imagine if you bought a car from somebody, and they secretly kept a spare key and periodically used your car to run their personal errand. It's worse than tha

>Imagine if you bought a car from somebody, and they secretly kept a spare key and periodically used your car to run their personal errand. It's worse than that. It's like you bought a house from somebody and they secretly left cameras all over the living room, bedroom, bathroom, and kitchen so they can get 'telemetry' ostensibly to improve the next house they build, for 'safety' in case there's an accident, and to 'protect the children'. I think people are so overwhelmed and anxious that there's no space for fighting back against this kind of over-reach. And even if you did have the time and space and energy, how would you even go about it?

wlesieutre 3y ago
So it's like buying a Tesla https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens...
- bgun 3y ago
  But worse, it's like being required to own a Tesla because it's the only car available.
  - namibj 3y ago
    And the cameras being integrated so the driving would break if you'd neutralize them.
    - entropicdrifter 3y ago
      And the laws are written such that replacing the software responsible for sending the camera feeds back to Tesla with a FOSS equivalent is illegal, because you're less trusted than the spying psychopathic corporation.
      - IYasha 3y ago
        And such people are ridiculed in the news.
    - cryptoegorophy 3y ago
      You can still drive it. You can’t use autopilot thought
      - entropicdrifter 3y ago
        You're responding in literal terms about a Tesla to an analogy about the Qualcomm 5G chips
TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
> the covert operating system (AMSS) has complete control over the hardware, microphone and camera. The Linux kernel and deGoogled /e/OS end-user operating system function as a slave on top of the hidden AMSS operating system So they can also exfiltrate audio and video
- kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
  This is why Snowden removes the microphone from his phones.
  - rolph 3y ago
    me too, and i also remove the camera[s], and put a dab of urethane over the hole. if i know there is an accelerometer i cut Voltage, and shunt it to ground
    - Sunspark 3y ago
      [flagged]
    - sizzle 3y ago
      What’s the privacy issue with accelerometer?
      - Veliladon 3y ago
        Because it can be used to roughly track location through 3D space. It's nowhere near as accurate as practically any other method but for "good enough" a lot of the time it'll do the job.
      - codebje 3y ago
        One I could think of is you could use accelerometer data to know if the phone is moving, and how: is it just being lifted and interacted with, is the user walking or running, are they in a car. For a high profile target you might also be able to track their approximate location if you know their starting point and their acceleration profile - speed up, slow down, turns, time taken. Enough, at least, to execute an ambush.

wlesieutre 3y ago

So it's like buying a Tesla https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens...

bgun 3y ago
But worse, it's like being required to own a Tesla because it's the only car available.
- namibj 3y ago
  And the cameras being integrated so the driving would break if you'd neutralize them.
  - entropicdrifter 3y ago
    And the laws are written such that replacing the software responsible for sending the camera feeds back to Tesla with a FOSS equivalent is illegal, because you're less trusted than the spying psychopathic corporation.
    - IYasha 3y ago
      And such people are ridiculed in the news.
  - cryptoegorophy 3y ago
    You can still drive it. You can’t use autopilot thought
    - entropicdrifter 3y ago
      You're responding in literal terms about a Tesla to an analogy about the Qualcomm 5G chips

TedDoesntTalk 3y ago

> the covert operating system (AMSS) has complete control over the hardware, microphone and camera. The Linux kernel and deGoogled /e/OS end-user operating system function as a slave on top of the hidden AMSS operating system So they can also exfiltrate audio and video

kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
This is why Snowden removes the microphone from his phones.
- rolph 3y ago
  me too, and i also remove the camera[s], and put a dab of urethane over the hole. if i know there is an accelerometer i cut Voltage, and shunt it to ground
  - Sunspark 3y ago
    [flagged]
  - sizzle 3y ago
    What’s the privacy issue with accelerometer?
    - Veliladon 3y ago
      Because it can be used to roughly track location through 3D space. It's nowhere near as accurate as practically any other method but for "good enough" a lot of the time it'll do the job.
    - codebje 3y ago
      One I could think of is you could use accelerometer data to know if the phone is moving, and how: is it just being lifted and interacted with, is the user walking or running, are they in a car. For a high profile target you might also be able to track their approximate location if you know their starting point and their acceleration profile - speed up, slow down, turns, time taken. Enough, at least, to execute an ambush.