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I am tired reading shitty click bait articles from people that don't work in the field but believe they know what will destroy it. AI is tiresome not because of

I am tired reading shitty click bait articles from people that don't work in the field but believe they know what will destroy it. AI is tiresome not because of AI but because of attention grifters.

Jeff_Brown 4y ago
Anticipating the social consequences of a technology only requires understanding what that technology is capable of, not how it works. This author understands, correctly, that AI can generate realistic looking images and realistic sounding bullshit very cheaply. At that point, expertise in the social science becomes more relevant than expertise in engineering.
- vorticalbox 4y ago
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  - Jeff_Brown 4y ago
    GPT makes a fair point. Engineering expertise is certainly necessary to anticipate what future capabilities will arise. But none is needed to anticipate the social effects of a capability once you know the capability already exists.
masswerk 4y ago
> Shane Balkowitsch is a wet plate collodion photographer. (…) His life’s work is “Northern Plains Native Americans: A Modern Wet Plate Perspective” a journey to capture 1,000 Native Americans in the present day in the historic process. > Herbert Ascherman (b. 1947) is Cleveland, Ohio’s, most prominent portrait photographer. (…) Herb has a library of 2,385 books on photography. (…) Throughout his career, Herb has lectured to more than 350 organizations internationally. He has exhibited in more than 150 venues throughout the US, Europe, India, Australia and Japan. They may not be from your domain, but they are experts in what the article is about.
- Zetobal 4y ago
  They are photographers and not historians.
  - masswerk 4y ago
    Mind that this is about the public image. (They expressly state that it is not the historians, those with expertise in fine detail and congruence with out-of-frame context, who they are worried about. It just happens so that they have devoted their lives to capturing and archiving and communicating such images.)
    - throwuwu 4y ago
      Hmmm, experts protecting the poor befuddled masses sure looks an awful lot like hurried moat building.
      - pixl97 4y ago
        Hmmm, non-experts saying "Of course my mother knows everything about computer security, don't even think about telling her about the risk of viruses on the modern internet" At least try to have some nuance here.
tivert 4y ago
> I am tired reading shitty click bait articles from people that don't work in the field but believe they know what will destroy it. AI is tiresome not because of AI but because of attention grifters. I am tired of reading shitty, low effort comments complaining about people thinking about the implications of "AI." This article isn't click bait, unless you're under the mistaken impression that everything topical is click bait.
- fullshark 4y ago
  Article is pretty thin though and seems to exist only to show off the fake Native American photographs.
  - tivert 4y ago
    > Article is pretty thin though and seems to exist only to show off the fake Native American photographs. So? Your comment does even less than that, and yet you still posted for us to read.
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    - fullshark 4y ago
      We are discussing whether the article has content or not, clickbait is a particular type of low information content on the internet which I think is an incorrect characterization of this article however I do agree it's low information, and basically the premise of the article was reverse engineered by a writer that thought "wow these photos are cool." If you find my comments on the matter also low information, I can live with that.
      - masswerk 4y ago
        I think, it's about the kind of fascination with an image that connects us to a greater narrative that is our identity. The notion that these generated images do fascinate, while connecting us to a non-existing narrative, is neither out of context nor just superficial, nor is so the exhibition of these images. The fascination emanating from these images (thanks to the transfer of textures and hints of authenticity) is pretty much the point, which is framed in a particular context, namely that of narratives and identities. I.e., we may be on the verge of a second colonialization, to repeat what colonial rewrite has done to local histories and identities.

I am tired reading shitty click bait articles from people that don't work in the field but believe they know what will destroy it. AI is tiresome not because of AI but because of attention grifters.

Jeff_Brown 4y ago

Anticipating the social consequences of a technology only requires understanding what that technology is capable of, not how it works. This author understands, correctly, that AI can generate realistic looking images and realistic sounding bullshit very cheaply. At that point, expertise in the social science becomes more relevant than expertise in engineering.

vorticalbox 4y ago
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- Jeff_Brown 4y ago
  GPT makes a fair point. Engineering expertise is certainly necessary to anticipate what future capabilities will arise. But none is needed to anticipate the social effects of a capability once you know the capability already exists.

masswerk 4y ago

> Shane Balkowitsch is a wet plate collodion photographer. (…) His life’s work is “Northern Plains Native Americans: A Modern Wet Plate Perspective” a journey to capture 1,000 Native Americans in the present day in the historic process. > Herbert Ascherman (b. 1947) is Cleveland, Ohio’s, most prominent portrait photographer. (…) Herb has a library of 2,385 books on photography. (…) Throughout his career, Herb has lectured to more than 350 organizations internationally. He has exhibited in more than 150 venues throughout the US, Europe, India, Australia and Japan. They may not be from your domain, but they are experts in what the article is about.

Zetobal 4y ago
They are photographers and not historians.
- masswerk 4y ago
  Mind that this is about the public image. (They expressly state that it is not the historians, those with expertise in fine detail and congruence with out-of-frame context, who they are worried about. It just happens so that they have devoted their lives to capturing and archiving and communicating such images.)
  - throwuwu 4y ago
    Hmmm, experts protecting the poor befuddled masses sure looks an awful lot like hurried moat building.
    - pixl97 4y ago
      Hmmm, non-experts saying "Of course my mother knows everything about computer security, don't even think about telling her about the risk of viruses on the modern internet" At least try to have some nuance here.

tivert 4y ago

> I am tired reading shitty click bait articles from people that don't work in the field but believe they know what will destroy it. AI is tiresome not because of AI but because of attention grifters. I am tired of reading shitty, low effort comments complaining about people thinking about the implications of "AI." This article isn't click bait, unless you're under the mistaken impression that everything topical is click bait.

fullshark 4y ago
Article is pretty thin though and seems to exist only to show off the fake Native American photographs.
- tivert 4y ago
  > Article is pretty thin though and seems to exist only to show off the fake Native American photographs. So? Your comment does even less than that, and yet you still posted for us to read.
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  - fullshark 4y ago
    We are discussing whether the article has content or not, clickbait is a particular type of low information content on the internet which I think is an incorrect characterization of this article however I do agree it's low information, and basically the premise of the article was reverse engineered by a writer that thought "wow these photos are cool." If you find my comments on the matter also low information, I can live with that.
    - masswerk 4y ago
      I think, it's about the kind of fascination with an image that connects us to a greater narrative that is our identity. The notion that these generated images do fascinate, while connecting us to a non-existing narrative, is neither out of context nor just superficial, nor is so the exhibition of these images. The fascination emanating from these images (thanks to the transfer of textures and hints of authenticity) is pretty much the point, which is framed in a particular context, namely that of narratives and identities. I.e., we may be on the verge of a second colonialization, to repeat what colonial rewrite has done to local histories and identities.