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Some people feel threatened by AI because it makes their skills or creations seem outdated, and they blame AI for their problems. They see AI as the enemy. It's

by VaiDeN 3y ago

Some people feel threatened by AI because it makes their skills or creations seem outdated, and they blame AI for their problems. They see AI as the enemy. It's hard for them to accept, but AI is here to stay. Eventually, they will have to come to terms with it. Once they let go of their pride and stop focusing on the wrong things, everyone will realize the incredible benefits AI can offer humanity. It's worrisome that some individuals would rather hold onto their own importance than embrace the potential of AI to help everyone. This mindset is unfortunate.

dmreedy 3y ago
You've begun the conversation, but what is the next step? You've identified that people feel threatened. Why do you think that is? It strikes me that pride is rarely a defensive response. What are the things they should be focusing on? In a system defined by one's ability to capitalize on one's individual importance, what less unfortunate mindset should be taken?
- Simon321 3y ago
  You've answered your own question: Change the system. If we get too good at automating jobs there should be a social safety net so we can all enjoy the fruits of AI.
  - dmreedy 3y ago
    I guess my attempts at leading the conversation where I wanted it to go were not as subtle as I had hoped. I absolutely agree the system is in dire need of some attention. I think a lot of the reaction you see around this new iteration of technology comes from people who worry that that attention will not be given. People who suddenly feel as insecure as all the other people in history left behind by growing automation. It's less pride, and more fear. And I don't feel like it's unjustified fear, given our track record.
- VaiDeN 3y ago
  Some people have an unfortunate mindset of wanting to shut down AI systems because they feel their art or job is threatened. However, I believe that the benefits of AI for society far outweigh these individual concerns. We must acknowledge that there may be issues with companies preferring AI over human employees, leading to potential unemployment. But, businesses wouldn't benefit from having poorer consumers, so it doesn't make sense to increase productivity at the cost of consumer power. Society must adapt to allow AI technologies to flourish and relieve humans of mundane tasks. We should identify tasks that only humans should manage, differentiate between human-made art and AI-generated art without banning generative processes, and find a way for everything to work together. AI can even help in building a new society based on these principles, possibly leading us towards a resource-based economy where money becomes less important.
  - dmreedy 3y ago
    > businesses wouldn't benefit from having poorer consumers, so it doesn't make sense to increase productivity at the cost of consumer power. I think your logic is impeccable here, and yet we frequently see businesses making decisions that do exactly that. The growing wealth gap seems to be indication enough. I can posit all sorts of explanations for why that might be but I'm much more curious as to what you imagine a fix for it might look like, from your model. Or do you think it will simply fix itself once things "bottom out" as it were (and not to present a false dichotomy). > relieve humans of mundane tasks In the economy/system we currently have, mundane tasks are entire classes of jobs. Jobs not frequently pursued out of passion, but necessity since it is very difficult to survive without a source of income, and a baseline of health insurance. And even more difficult to grow. So while I love the vision of that future, I'm much more interested in what the bridge to getting there looks like. Because traditionally we haven't built those bridges, we've just hoped enough survivors will learn how to swim. > resource-based economy where money becomes less important In the current society/economic system, money is a proxy for the abstract concept of resource. Do you mean a more direct resource foundation, like a barter system? An economy that moves without the lubrication of a finance industry using the abstraction of money to provide liquidity? Something different?
ChatGTP 3y ago
Won't somebody think of the benefits!
tivert 3y ago
> Once they let go of their pride and stop focusing on the wrong things, everyone will realize the incredible benefits AI can offer humanity. It's worrisome that some individuals would rather hold onto their own importance than embrace the potential of AI to help everyone. This mindset is unfortunate. Yeah, people. Let go of your pride, come to terms with your newfound uselessness, and accept your newfound poverty like a man. It's called progress. You should be happy that AI helped capital (i.e. everyone that matters) save the money it used to have to pay to feed you.
- VaiDeN 3y ago
  People should believe in themselves because they will always be useful. Many jobs will go away, but new ones will appear. The key is to work with AI, not against it. Everyone must start working together with AI to find their place in the future world.
  - tivert 3y ago
    > People should believe in themselves because they will always be useful. Some people may always be useful, but that doesn't mean you will be useful. Every change looks good if you insist on looking at it through the eyes of the winners, however small that group may be. > Many jobs will go away, but new ones will appear. Maybe there will be new opportunities for prostitution, for people desperate enough. > The key is to work with AI, not against it. Everyone must start working together with AI to find their place in the future world. A sanguine platitude, but what if your place in the future world is at the bottom, in poverty? The arc of the most recent waves of automation have included increasing inequality that has caused a lot of bitterness and loss.
masswerk 3y ago
I'd argue, their argument is that their skills will be now needed more than ever. But this isn't exactly about individual careers. It's more about identity (who are we, where do we come from, how do we know?) and the system embedding media (and its economies) as a whole. IMHO, bothering about such things isn't just unfortunate.

by VaiDeN 3y ago

dmreedy 3y ago

You've begun the conversation, but what is the next step? You've identified that people feel threatened. Why do you think that is? It strikes me that pride is rarely a defensive response. What are the things they should be focusing on? In a system defined by one's ability to capitalize on one's individual importance, what less unfortunate mindset should be taken?

Simon321 3y ago
You've answered your own question: Change the system. If we get too good at automating jobs there should be a social safety net so we can all enjoy the fruits of AI.
- dmreedy 3y ago
  I guess my attempts at leading the conversation where I wanted it to go were not as subtle as I had hoped. I absolutely agree the system is in dire need of some attention. I think a lot of the reaction you see around this new iteration of technology comes from people who worry that that attention will not be given. People who suddenly feel as insecure as all the other people in history left behind by growing automation. It's less pride, and more fear. And I don't feel like it's unjustified fear, given our track record.
VaiDeN 3y ago
Some people have an unfortunate mindset of wanting to shut down AI systems because they feel their art or job is threatened. However, I believe that the benefits of AI for society far outweigh these individual concerns. We must acknowledge that there may be issues with companies preferring AI over human employees, leading to potential unemployment. But, businesses wouldn't benefit from having poorer consumers, so it doesn't make sense to increase productivity at the cost of consumer power. Society must adapt to allow AI technologies to flourish and relieve humans of mundane tasks. We should identify tasks that only humans should manage, differentiate between human-made art and AI-generated art without banning generative processes, and find a way for everything to work together. AI can even help in building a new society based on these principles, possibly leading us towards a resource-based economy where money becomes less important.
- dmreedy 3y ago
  > businesses wouldn't benefit from having poorer consumers, so it doesn't make sense to increase productivity at the cost of consumer power. I think your logic is impeccable here, and yet we frequently see businesses making decisions that do exactly that. The growing wealth gap seems to be indication enough. I can posit all sorts of explanations for why that might be but I'm much more curious as to what you imagine a fix for it might look like, from your model. Or do you think it will simply fix itself once things "bottom out" as it were (and not to present a false dichotomy). > relieve humans of mundane tasks In the economy/system we currently have, mundane tasks are entire classes of jobs. Jobs not frequently pursued out of passion, but necessity since it is very difficult to survive without a source of income, and a baseline of health insurance. And even more difficult to grow. So while I love the vision of that future, I'm much more interested in what the bridge to getting there looks like. Because traditionally we haven't built those bridges, we've just hoped enough survivors will learn how to swim. > resource-based economy where money becomes less important In the current society/economic system, money is a proxy for the abstract concept of resource. Do you mean a more direct resource foundation, like a barter system? An economy that moves without the lubrication of a finance industry using the abstraction of money to provide liquidity? Something different?

ChatGTP 3y ago

Won't somebody think of the benefits!

tivert 3y ago

> Once they let go of their pride and stop focusing on the wrong things, everyone will realize the incredible benefits AI can offer humanity. It's worrisome that some individuals would rather hold onto their own importance than embrace the potential of AI to help everyone. This mindset is unfortunate. Yeah, people. Let go of your pride, come to terms with your newfound uselessness, and accept your newfound poverty like a man. It's called progress. You should be happy that AI helped capital (i.e. everyone that matters) save the money it used to have to pay to feed you.

VaiDeN 3y ago
People should believe in themselves because they will always be useful. Many jobs will go away, but new ones will appear. The key is to work with AI, not against it. Everyone must start working together with AI to find their place in the future world.
- tivert 3y ago
  > People should believe in themselves because they will always be useful. Some people may always be useful, but that doesn't mean you will be useful. Every change looks good if you insist on looking at it through the eyes of the winners, however small that group may be. > Many jobs will go away, but new ones will appear. Maybe there will be new opportunities for prostitution, for people desperate enough. > The key is to work with AI, not against it. Everyone must start working together with AI to find their place in the future world. A sanguine platitude, but what if your place in the future world is at the bottom, in poverty? The arc of the most recent waves of automation have included increasing inequality that has caused a lot of bitterness and loss.

masswerk 3y ago

I'd argue, their argument is that their skills will be now needed more than ever. But this isn't exactly about individual careers. It's more about identity (who are we, where do we come from, how do we know?) and the system embedding media (and its economies) as a whole. IMHO, bothering about such things isn't just unfortunate.