Yes, I wasn't really worrying about the indirect/direct distinction, given that the comments I was replying to were trying to make a point about overall global

Yes, I wasn't really worrying about the indirect/direct distinction, given that the comments I was replying to were trying to make a point about overall global suffering and evil "winning". It doesn't really matter if Russia is invading Ukraine directly or arming insurgents in [insert proxy war here] – the result is still having a hand in creating suffering, and Ukraine is no worse (better in fact by most metrics) than what they've been doing since WWII. Mind you I don't think the US/UK/whomever has been doing that much better, but Russia is being picked on because that is who menus singled out.