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The Eve Theory of Consciousness proposed that consciousness is recent, women were self-aware first, and agriculture was the result. Any biologists or anthropol

by causi 4y ago

The Eve Theory of Consciousness proposed that consciousness is recent, women were self-aware first, and agriculture was the result. Any biologists or anthropologists care to chime in on whether that's obviously wrong or not? The author's self-described background is engineering so I find some of his more outlandish claims about human development suspect.

2Gkashmiri 4y ago
if i remember, anendotally its said prostitution is the first profession, long before agriculture. how does women being self aware and agriculture come together?
hsjqllzlfkf 4y ago
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adr1an 4y ago
I would say that self-awareness is far more primordial than agriculture, like most psychological traits that are shared with social animals. The main difficulty is that we don't have proper testing procedures for this kind of traits. Coming back to humans (all species under the homo genera), we have cave paintings that are far more older than h. sapiens' development of agriculture. And I'm inclined to think that an ape doing such drawings would also have self-awareness... They are barely related traits, but stil...
KrugerDunnings 4y ago
Lets break down the three clains in reverse order: 1. Are there primitive societies of hunter-gatherer that are not self aware, as in they don't pass neurological test that measure this? 2. From a evolutionary perspective what is the advantage of this sexual dimorphism and given that this advantage exists why did this advantage disappear afterwards and become present in both sexes. Are there any other traits where woman are shown to have larger divergence. I thought men where the "weak" sex in this regard. 3. If consciousness is recent then how do you explain conscious trails and self awareness in lower primates, is this also a case of convergent evolution?
i-use-nixos-btw 4y ago
A general rule of thumb is that if it’s a theory of consciousness, take it with a pinch of salt. Unless it includes the word “quantum”, in which case take it with a truckload of salt, preferably intravenously.

by causi 4y ago

2Gkashmiri 4y ago

if i remember, anendotally its said prostitution is the first profession, long before agriculture. how does women being self aware and agriculture come together?

hsjqllzlfkf 4y ago

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adr1an 4y ago

I would say that self-awareness is far more primordial than agriculture, like most psychological traits that are shared with social animals. The main difficulty is that we don't have proper testing procedures for this kind of traits. Coming back to humans (all species under the homo genera), we have cave paintings that are far more older than h. sapiens' development of agriculture. And I'm inclined to think that an ape doing such drawings would also have self-awareness... They are barely related traits, but stil...

KrugerDunnings 4y ago

Lets break down the three clains in reverse order: 1. Are there primitive societies of hunter-gatherer that are not self aware, as in they don't pass neurological test that measure this? 2. From a evolutionary perspective what is the advantage of this sexual dimorphism and given that this advantage exists why did this advantage disappear afterwards and become present in both sexes. Are there any other traits where woman are shown to have larger divergence. I thought men where the "weak" sex in this regard. 3. If consciousness is recent then how do you explain conscious trails and self awareness in lower primates, is this also a case of convergent evolution?

i-use-nixos-btw 4y ago

A general rule of thumb is that if it’s a theory of consciousness, take it with a pinch of salt. Unless it includes the word “quantum”, in which case take it with a truckload of salt, preferably intravenously.