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The Old (2018)

115 points by keiferski 4y ago

endre 4y ago
aaand it's slashdotted
01648599160 4y ago
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melling 4y ago
That’ll be a lot of countries soon. “By 2030, 1 in 6 people in the world will be aged 60 years or over. At this time the share of the population aged 60 years and over will increase from 1 billion in 2020 to 1.4 billion. By 2050, the world’s population of people aged 60 years and older will double (2.1 billion). The number of persons aged 80 years or older is expected to triple between 2020 and 2050 to reach 426 million” https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/ageing-and-health https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/ageing-and-...
- postdb 4y ago
  we don't really have a over population issue, unless some how we figured prolong the life span of all people in the next few decade. Countries like China will have population deflation problem in the coming decades.
  - ido 4y ago
    It’s been long predicted that world population will peak by mid-century and then slowly decline.
  - dangond 4y ago
    It's still possible we'll face lots of problems from having too many elderly people who aren't working, even if we won't have problems from overpopulation itself.
- lelanthran 4y ago
  > “By 2030, 1 in 6 people in the world will be aged 60 years or over. At this time the share of the population aged 60 years and over will increase from 1 billion in 2020 to 1.4 billion. By 2050, the world’s population of people aged 60 years and older will double (2.1 billion). The number of persons aged 80 years or older is expected to triple between 2020 and 2050 to reach 426 million” All of this has a statistics smell to it - why aren't they giving us the expected percentages instead of the expected absolute numbers. IME, the only time authors give numbers that don't have any frame of references is when their argument is weak or nonexistent. "Is the fooflam reliable?" "Yes - we have had only a single return of all flooflams sold"[1] [1] Neglects to mention they only sold five.
  - zamnos 4y ago
    I mean, you're asking them to predict the future. And not just a few years, but population growth for the next 27 years. Not trying to predict that doesn't make it a trick of statistics.
    - xboxnolifes 4y ago
      Commenter isn't asking them to predict the future, they willingly gave their prediction without being asked. Commenter to asking for them to share the half of their prediction they are hiding.
- usrusr 4y ago
  Let's hope so! So much better than being the generation holding the bag when the reset happens.
- kmlx 4y ago
  italy in 2020: > 55-64 years: 14% > 65 years and over: 22.08% from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Italy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Italy
Aaronmacaron 4y ago
Seems to be down http://web.archive.org/web/20230425113650/https://neocha.com/magazine/the-old/ http://web.archive.org/web/20230425113650/https://neocha.com...
Wronnay 4y ago
http://archive.today/GuUdf http://archive.today/GuUdf
rkuska 4y ago
I would recommend you to go and watch What Owning a Japanese Public Bath is Like[0]. While the video is supposed to be about running an onsen I think it is more about love, aging, family and importance of not being idle. It is very touching. (fyi Life Where I'm From is one of the best channels on youtube with high quality content) [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcPGdM76O2U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcPGdM76O2U
usrnm 4y ago
On the other hand, these photos show us a country where old people can live a full life regardless of their age. They are working, they have something to do and the society doesn't just shove them aside as some goods past their expiration date.
- bedane 4y ago
  Having to work at 80 is not a good thing
  - usrnm 4y ago
    Having to retire isn't particularly nice, either
  - pezezin 4y ago
    Exactly. These people keep working at 80 because their pensions are shit, not because they enjoy it. Well, some of them do enjoy it because they don't have any hobby and don't know how to enjoy their retirements, they just know how to work, which is equally depressing.
    - swexbe 4y ago
      Feeling like you’re productive can feel pretty nice.
      - pezezin 4y ago
        At least in my culture, older people feel productive by focusing on their family and friends. I prefer that to working until you die, but to each their own.
    - Towaway69 4y ago
      I read somewhere old people in Japan commit crimes in order to land in prison because life there is better. But I stand corrected if this is an urban myth.
CrimpCity 4y ago
Watching them work at that age made me super sad.
- joseph_grobbles 4y ago
  Would you rather they just disappear and die? When people's dogs become older and inconvenient it is common for people to rationalize putting them "down" under the notion that it's some great benevolent act, instead of a selfish one. "Oh he couldn't jump on the bed any more so it was time to put him down". It's gross, but you nod and smile and pretend like they're being rational. Similarly, many people want older people to disappear, and this is often masked in some benevolent "it's because I care so much" nonsense. People who want the elderly to disappear into some home somewhere where they can be sedated until they die. They can't jump up on the bed anymore, you see, so it's for the best. e.g. "I just want you to enjoy your retirement...best time of life...disappear" A lot of older people want purpose in their life. They want to work. Particularly in Japan where there is an incredible pride and life purpose behind contributing and plying ones skills. I went down a rabbit hole of YouTube videos feature hole in the wall restaurants in Japan, and it was amazing how often it was quite elderly owners who would show up early and run the show, and it was clear they loved having it in their life.
  - tough 4y ago
    I vouched because I agree. My grandparent is 70. Cooking is what keeps him alive
  - tokai 4y ago
    What an insulting non sequitur. "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."
    - wrycoder 4y ago
      I don’t think it was meant that way, at all. I read the posts in order, and the conversation seemed natural and civil.
pelagic_sky 4y ago
If you liked the photos here, be sure to check out his Instagram, lots of great shots with direct commentary.
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akhayam 4y ago
Let's admit it. We have lost empathy for the old because we don't think they have enough "value" to add to society. I am inspired by the story of Patricia Moore who, at 26, dressed up to live the life of an 80 yr old to understand their challenges: https://www.romankrznaric.com/outrospection/2009/11/01/117 https://www.romankrznaric.com/outrospection/2009/11/01/117. We need more Patricia's in this world.
WalterBright 4y ago
Having a purpose keeps one alive. One of those purposes can be working productively.
- deleted 4y ago
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majestic5762 4y ago
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AITree 4y ago
The photos you are referring to depict a society where the elderly are valued and respected for their contributions, rather than being marginalized or dismissed. It's important to recognize that aging is a natural part of life, and people should not be defined by their age or perceived limitations. In some cultures, the elderly are seen as wise and experienced, and their knowledge and skills are highly valued.

The Old (2018)

115 points by keiferski 4y ago

endre 4y ago

aaand it's slashdotted

01648599160 4y ago

[dead]

melling 4y ago

That’ll be a lot of countries soon. “By 2030, 1 in 6 people in the world will be aged 60 years or over. At this time the share of the population aged 60 years and over will increase from 1 billion in 2020 to 1.4 billion. By 2050, the world’s population of people aged 60 years and older will double (2.1 billion). The number of persons aged 80 years or older is expected to triple between 2020 and 2050 to reach 426 million” https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/ageing-and-health https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/ageing-and-...

postdb 4y ago
we don't really have a over population issue, unless some how we figured prolong the life span of all people in the next few decade. Countries like China will have population deflation problem in the coming decades.
- ido 4y ago
  It’s been long predicted that world population will peak by mid-century and then slowly decline.
- dangond 4y ago
  It's still possible we'll face lots of problems from having too many elderly people who aren't working, even if we won't have problems from overpopulation itself.
lelanthran 4y ago
> “By 2030, 1 in 6 people in the world will be aged 60 years or over. At this time the share of the population aged 60 years and over will increase from 1 billion in 2020 to 1.4 billion. By 2050, the world’s population of people aged 60 years and older will double (2.1 billion). The number of persons aged 80 years or older is expected to triple between 2020 and 2050 to reach 426 million” All of this has a statistics smell to it - why aren't they giving us the expected percentages instead of the expected absolute numbers. IME, the only time authors give numbers that don't have any frame of references is when their argument is weak or nonexistent. "Is the fooflam reliable?" "Yes - we have had only a single return of all flooflams sold"[1] [1] Neglects to mention they only sold five.
- zamnos 4y ago
  I mean, you're asking them to predict the future. And not just a few years, but population growth for the next 27 years. Not trying to predict that doesn't make it a trick of statistics.
  - xboxnolifes 4y ago
    Commenter isn't asking them to predict the future, they willingly gave their prediction without being asked. Commenter to asking for them to share the half of their prediction they are hiding.
usrusr 4y ago
Let's hope so! So much better than being the generation holding the bag when the reset happens.
kmlx 4y ago
italy in 2020: > 55-64 years: 14% > 65 years and over: 22.08% from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Italy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Italy

Aaronmacaron 4y ago

Seems to be down http://web.archive.org/web/20230425113650/https://neocha.com/magazine/the-old/ http://web.archive.org/web/20230425113650/https://neocha.com...

Wronnay 4y ago

http://archive.today/GuUdf http://archive.today/GuUdf

rkuska 4y ago

I would recommend you to go and watch What Owning a Japanese Public Bath is Like[0]. While the video is supposed to be about running an onsen I think it is more about love, aging, family and importance of not being idle. It is very touching. (fyi Life Where I'm From is one of the best channels on youtube with high quality content) [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcPGdM76O2U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcPGdM76O2U

usrnm 4y ago

On the other hand, these photos show us a country where old people can live a full life regardless of their age. They are working, they have something to do and the society doesn't just shove them aside as some goods past their expiration date.

bedane 4y ago
Having to work at 80 is not a good thing
- usrnm 4y ago
  Having to retire isn't particularly nice, either
- pezezin 4y ago
  Exactly. These people keep working at 80 because their pensions are shit, not because they enjoy it. Well, some of them do enjoy it because they don't have any hobby and don't know how to enjoy their retirements, they just know how to work, which is equally depressing.
  - swexbe 4y ago
    Feeling like you’re productive can feel pretty nice.
    - pezezin 4y ago
      At least in my culture, older people feel productive by focusing on their family and friends. I prefer that to working until you die, but to each their own.
  - Towaway69 4y ago
    I read somewhere old people in Japan commit crimes in order to land in prison because life there is better. But I stand corrected if this is an urban myth.

CrimpCity 4y ago

Watching them work at that age made me super sad.

joseph_grobbles 4y ago
Would you rather they just disappear and die? When people's dogs become older and inconvenient it is common for people to rationalize putting them "down" under the notion that it's some great benevolent act, instead of a selfish one. "Oh he couldn't jump on the bed any more so it was time to put him down". It's gross, but you nod and smile and pretend like they're being rational. Similarly, many people want older people to disappear, and this is often masked in some benevolent "it's because I care so much" nonsense. People who want the elderly to disappear into some home somewhere where they can be sedated until they die. They can't jump up on the bed anymore, you see, so it's for the best. e.g. "I just want you to enjoy your retirement...best time of life...disappear" A lot of older people want purpose in their life. They want to work. Particularly in Japan where there is an incredible pride and life purpose behind contributing and plying ones skills. I went down a rabbit hole of YouTube videos feature hole in the wall restaurants in Japan, and it was amazing how often it was quite elderly owners who would show up early and run the show, and it was clear they loved having it in their life.
- tough 4y ago
  I vouched because I agree. My grandparent is 70. Cooking is what keeps him alive
- tokai 4y ago
  What an insulting non sequitur. "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."
  - wrycoder 4y ago
    I don’t think it was meant that way, at all. I read the posts in order, and the conversation seemed natural and civil.

pelagic_sky 4y ago

If you liked the photos here, be sure to check out his Instagram, lots of great shots with direct commentary.

deleted 4y ago

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akhayam 4y ago

Let's admit it. We have lost empathy for the old because we don't think they have enough "value" to add to society. I am inspired by the story of Patricia Moore who, at 26, dressed up to live the life of an 80 yr old to understand their challenges: https://www.romankrznaric.com/outrospection/2009/11/01/117 https://www.romankrznaric.com/outrospection/2009/11/01/117. We need more Patricia's in this world.

WalterBright 4y ago

Having a purpose keeps one alive. One of those purposes can be working productively.

deleted 4y ago
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majestic5762 4y ago

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AITree 4y ago

The photos you are referring to depict a society where the elderly are valued and respected for their contributions, rather than being marginalized or dismissed. It's important to recognize that aging is a natural part of life, and people should not be defined by their age or perceived limitations. In some cultures, the elderly are seen as wise and experienced, and their knowledge and skills are highly valued.