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Do you really believe if the shoe was on the other foot, the MYT would be ok with "it's fair use"? I actually think the article's author would completely agree

Do you really believe if the shoe was on the other foot, the MYT would be ok with "it's fair use"? I actually think the article's author would completely agree with you. Sane copyright would allow for this use, but I haven't seen anything resembling sanity WRT copyright as long as I can remember. and if NYT is pushing for that insanity, they absolutely should be held to that same standard.

donohoe 15y ago
Don't confuse Keller's opinion piece with an editorial viewpoint. The two are polar opposites.
- helmut_hed 15y ago
  IANAJ, but can you elaborate? I would have said they were the same, given that the editorial section seems to contain explicit opinions from the newspaper staff vs. other sections which are, at least theoretically, unvarnished fact.
  - donohoe 15y ago
    I can try... From Wikipdiea: Op-Ed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-ed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-ed "An op-ed, abbreviated from opposite the editorial page (though often mistaken for opinion-editorial), is a newspaper article that expresses the opinions of a named writer who is usually unaffiliated with the newspaper's editorial board. These are different from editorials, which are usually unsigned and written by editorial board members." Now onto Bill Keller: http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/billkeller/index.html http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped... "Bill Keller is an Op-Ed columnist for The New York Times and writes for The New York Times Magazine. His column appears on alternate Mondays." Now look at NYTimes Editorials: http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/editorials/index.html http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/edit... These usually have no bylines, or attributable to one person. They don't deal with topics covered by Mr. Keller, the most recent one being titled "The House’s Less Persuasive Ban on Insider Trading". Essentially the Times has News, Opinion, Editorial. All of these are separate and the Editorial is the only one where the Times offers its "own" public opinions. Hope that helps.

donohoe 15y ago

Don't confuse Keller's opinion piece with an editorial viewpoint. The two are polar opposites.

helmut_hed 15y ago
IANAJ, but can you elaborate? I would have said they were the same, given that the editorial section seems to contain explicit opinions from the newspaper staff vs. other sections which are, at least theoretically, unvarnished fact.
- donohoe 15y ago
  I can try... From Wikipdiea: Op-Ed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-ed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-ed "An op-ed, abbreviated from opposite the editorial page (though often mistaken for opinion-editorial), is a newspaper article that expresses the opinions of a named writer who is usually unaffiliated with the newspaper's editorial board. These are different from editorials, which are usually unsigned and written by editorial board members." Now onto Bill Keller: http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/billkeller/index.html http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped... "Bill Keller is an Op-Ed columnist for The New York Times and writes for The New York Times Magazine. His column appears on alternate Mondays." Now look at NYTimes Editorials: http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/editorials/index.html http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/edit... These usually have no bylines, or attributable to one person. They don't deal with topics covered by Mr. Keller, the most recent one being titled "The House’s Less Persuasive Ban on Insider Trading". Essentially the Times has News, Opinion, Editorial. All of these are separate and the Editorial is the only one where the Times offers its "own" public opinions. Hope that helps.