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How is it obvious? Other than nebulously creepy ads about conversations I have. How and why did an app on my phone know my location without me providing it?

vasco 4y ago
If you use any phone with a SIM card that is connected to a tower just for signal, not even data, you're already trackable. You can go up to application level, but the house of cards starts crumbling from cell towers first.
- unethical_ban 4y ago
  Right, but apps should not have that data. If location is not enabled, or is not permitted for that application, they shouldn't have that data. IP addresses are a thing of course, and VPNs can help marginally but not entirely.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  The degree of precision that can be achieved using this data over a longer period of time is uncanny.
- rtpg 4y ago
  A cell tower could be used to triangulate your position, but we're talking about an iOS app not being run by your phone company. This is why we have security features in iOS, at least in theory! If you do not have location sharing enabled, how could a company running an app know about you? I can think of things like - the cell phone company is selling your location info to the company, that has your phone number via SMS - Guessing based on EXIF data from previous posts and previous location service usage ("you're probably where you always are") Is there something else I'm missing? The point here is we are talking about an app on your phone (not some Apple service or the phone company) knowing where you are
  - thalassophobia 4y ago
    Don't forget about the IP address.
  - autoexec 4y ago
    I don't know what permissions an app might be using, but if they can access your wifi network they can read the names of the access points around you and feed them to massive databases that list every access point and what its location is to get a very good idea of where you are (within the distance of the range of your nearest wifi routers). If it has access to bluetooth it can do the same thing, except companies also make heavy use of bluetooth beacons so that they have fixed points to log you at. The range on some beacons is so far that you couldn't even see them but others can log your location within a foot or so. Stores use bluetooth beacons to track where customers in their building walk, how fast they walk, what direction they go, where they stop, what they stop in front of, and how long it was until they started moving again. They can uniquely identify your device and keep detailed maps your movements over time. If you give an app access to your camera they can see whatever is around you, scan your own selfies and pictures for clues, and even access your microphone. People have been able to get a location from ambient sound alone but there are also audio beacons that are used to track you which broadcast sound outside the range of human hearing.
- HarHarVeryFunny 4y ago
  Of course your phone/OS knows your location, but that doesn't mean it's ok to share that info without your permission. It you configure Snapchat to not share your location then it should not be sharing it with OpenAI via "My AI".

vasco 4y ago

If you use any phone with a SIM card that is connected to a tower just for signal, not even data, you're already trackable. You can go up to application level, but the house of cards starts crumbling from cell towers first.

unethical_ban 4y ago
Right, but apps should not have that data. If location is not enabled, or is not permitted for that application, they shouldn't have that data. IP addresses are a thing of course, and VPNs can help marginally but not entirely.
jacquesm 4y ago
The degree of precision that can be achieved using this data over a longer period of time is uncanny.
rtpg 4y ago
A cell tower could be used to triangulate your position, but we're talking about an iOS app not being run by your phone company. This is why we have security features in iOS, at least in theory! If you do not have location sharing enabled, how could a company running an app know about you? I can think of things like - the cell phone company is selling your location info to the company, that has your phone number via SMS - Guessing based on EXIF data from previous posts and previous location service usage ("you're probably where you always are") Is there something else I'm missing? The point here is we are talking about an app on your phone (not some Apple service or the phone company) knowing where you are
- thalassophobia 4y ago
  Don't forget about the IP address.
- autoexec 4y ago
  I don't know what permissions an app might be using, but if they can access your wifi network they can read the names of the access points around you and feed them to massive databases that list every access point and what its location is to get a very good idea of where you are (within the distance of the range of your nearest wifi routers). If it has access to bluetooth it can do the same thing, except companies also make heavy use of bluetooth beacons so that they have fixed points to log you at. The range on some beacons is so far that you couldn't even see them but others can log your location within a foot or so. Stores use bluetooth beacons to track where customers in their building walk, how fast they walk, what direction they go, where they stop, what they stop in front of, and how long it was until they started moving again. They can uniquely identify your device and keep detailed maps your movements over time. If you give an app access to your camera they can see whatever is around you, scan your own selfies and pictures for clues, and even access your microphone. People have been able to get a location from ambient sound alone but there are also audio beacons that are used to track you which broadcast sound outside the range of human hearing.
HarHarVeryFunny 4y ago
Of course your phone/OS knows your location, but that doesn't mean it's ok to share that info without your permission. It you configure Snapchat to not share your location then it should not be sharing it with OpenAI via "My AI".