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>literally kill their employees source?

moring 4y ago
Why was this downvoted? Amazon "literally killing their employees" was news to me too and a credible source would have been nice.
- ornornor 4y ago
  See sibling comment: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/18/amazon-wrongful-death-lawsuit-illinois-tornado-warehouse https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/18/amazon-wr...
supriyo-biswas 4y ago
https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/18/amazon-wrongful-death-lawsuit-illinois-tornado-warehouse https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/18/amazon-wr...
- ornornor 4y ago
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- moring 4y ago
  I could not find any evidence of Amazon literally killing an employee in that article. What I did find was this: > claims that Amazon failed to warn employees of dangerous weather or provide safe shelter before a tornado slammed the Edwardsville facility Such behaviour certainly warrants a lawsuit, and I hope Amazon gets into deep trouble for that, but what killed that employee was a tornado. Now the meaning of "kill" would probably include using force to have an employee being hit by that tornado, but the article doesn't seem to mention anything like that either. The details are left out, so what most likely happened is that the employee was threatened with being fired (explicitly, implied, or at a different time) if they don't continue to work, so they did, and then got hit by a tornado. So to clear this up: Are we actually talking about a case of manslaughter happening at Amazon, or is this a weird way of pointing out their abysmal workplace safety?
  - bheadmaster 4y ago
    Amazon built the warehouse. Amazon hired the people and ordered them to work in that warehouse. Amazon failed to warn employees of dangerous weather or provide safe shelter before a tornado slammed the Edwardsville facility on 10 December. McEwen and five others were killed in the disaster. If a mining company doesn't warn their miners of an earthquake, and it kills their workers, it's absolutely the mining company's fault. So how can this be anyone else's fault, but Amazon's? > So to clear this up: Are we actually talking about a case of manslaughter happening at Amazon, or is this a weird way of pointing out their abysmal workplace safety? Is there really a difference? The definition of manslaughter depends on the juridistiction, but I think this is clearly a case gross negligence manslaughter, by Amazon.
    - moring 4y ago
      > So how can this be anyone else's fault, but Amazon's? Why are we even discussing this? I never asked whose fault it is, and actually asserted from the beginning that I think it is Amazon's fault. Such working conditions should not even be allowed by law. What I did ask for is evidence that "Amazon literally killed their employee", which nobody has provided yet, and probably never will, because it is becoming very clear that it never happened, and that this is just a case of mis-using the word "literally" for dramatic effect.
      - oblio 3y ago
        I think you're taking the word "literally" too literally.
      - vidarh 4y ago
        The word "literally" has long meant both "literally" and "figuratively" to the point that the latter meaning is in some dictionaries at this point, and is reasonably used in this context to imply indirect responsibility. If the person above literally meant literally in its original meaning, then I agree it was misused for dramatic effect. if the person above meant to use it in the sense of figuratively, then it was merely ambiguously written.
PNWChris 4y ago
There was a suicide attempt that sparked a lot of discussion about Amazon and the way they do PIPs back in 2016: https://www.geekwire.com/2016/report-amazon-employee-jumps-off-company-building-seattle/ https://www.geekwire.com/2016/report-amazon-employee-jumps-o... http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-employees-share-thoughts-about-suicide-survivor-2016-12 http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-employees-share-though... It prompted a lot of discussions in my workplace cafeteria and I recall it was discussed at length on Blind. The consensus I saw at the time was that Amazon has a really rough culture and something needed to change. I have not worked at Amazon, so I cannot speak directly to any of this, though.
- scrum-treats 4y ago
  Workplace conditions at Amazon (both tech and non-tech) are quite awful. There are countless reports of workplace bullying, harassment, and retaliation[1][2][3][4]. Regarding PIP/Focus, managers will make things up and falsely report status to HR. It's an incredibly toxic experience. Amazon also uses its tremendous power to do things like execute unlawful surveillance on current and former employees, and falsely accuse them of crimes[5]. Can you imagine trying to raise kids while Amazon is trying to take everything you own, without legal cause? Unreal this is allowed to happen. Regarding "death," warehouse workers are seriously injured twice as much as workers in other warehouses[6]. Amazon received numerous citations from OSHA last year for reasons including underreporting and mis-classifying incidents involving serious injuries and illness, as well as withholding information to OSHA. It's gotten bad enough even shareholders are pushing for change[7]. [1]https://www.seattletimes.com/business/amazon/they-think-they-can-do-anything-amazon-psychologist-describes-on-the-job-bullying-discrimination/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/amazon/they-think-they... [2]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-com-nlrb-idINKBN28R319 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-com-nlrb-idINKBN28... [3]https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/23/22590134/amazon-harassment-discrimination-allegations-investigation https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/23/22590134/amazon-harassmen... [4]https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjeans/2021/05/19/amazon-five-racial-discrimination-lawsuits/?sh=39b369fe7293 https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjeans/2021/05/19/amazon-fi... [5]https://www.seattletimes.com/business/after-3-years-seattles-amy-nelson-still-fighting-amazon-and-doj/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/after-3-years-seattles... [6]https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/amazon-warehouse-workers-are-seriously-injured-at-twice-the-rate-of-employees-at-similar-warehouses-study-finds/ar-AA19Pol8 https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/amazon-warehouse-worke... [7]https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/a-shareholder-revolt-at-amazon-reveals-potential-changes-ahead/ar-AA19ZQwR?cvid=4cdef722e0b841139e65895d817cb7b4&ei=45 https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/a-shareholder-revolt...

Why was this downvoted? Amazon "literally killing their employees" was news to me too and a credible source would have been nice.

ornornor 4y ago
See sibling comment: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/18/amazon-wrongful-death-lawsuit-illinois-tornado-warehouse https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/18/amazon-wr...

supriyo-biswas 4y ago

https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/18/amazon-wrongful-death-lawsuit-illinois-tornado-warehouse https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/18/amazon-wr...

ornornor 4y ago
Non AMP link: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/18/amazon-wrongful-death-lawsuit-illinois-tornado-warehouse https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/18/amazon-wr...
moring 4y ago
I could not find any evidence of Amazon literally killing an employee in that article. What I did find was this: > claims that Amazon failed to warn employees of dangerous weather or provide safe shelter before a tornado slammed the Edwardsville facility Such behaviour certainly warrants a lawsuit, and I hope Amazon gets into deep trouble for that, but what killed that employee was a tornado. Now the meaning of "kill" would probably include using force to have an employee being hit by that tornado, but the article doesn't seem to mention anything like that either. The details are left out, so what most likely happened is that the employee was threatened with being fired (explicitly, implied, or at a different time) if they don't continue to work, so they did, and then got hit by a tornado. So to clear this up: Are we actually talking about a case of manslaughter happening at Amazon, or is this a weird way of pointing out their abysmal workplace safety?
- bheadmaster 4y ago
  Amazon built the warehouse. Amazon hired the people and ordered them to work in that warehouse. Amazon failed to warn employees of dangerous weather or provide safe shelter before a tornado slammed the Edwardsville facility on 10 December. McEwen and five others were killed in the disaster. If a mining company doesn't warn their miners of an earthquake, and it kills their workers, it's absolutely the mining company's fault. So how can this be anyone else's fault, but Amazon's? > So to clear this up: Are we actually talking about a case of manslaughter happening at Amazon, or is this a weird way of pointing out their abysmal workplace safety? Is there really a difference? The definition of manslaughter depends on the juridistiction, but I think this is clearly a case gross negligence manslaughter, by Amazon.
  - moring 4y ago
    > So how can this be anyone else's fault, but Amazon's? Why are we even discussing this? I never asked whose fault it is, and actually asserted from the beginning that I think it is Amazon's fault. Such working conditions should not even be allowed by law. What I did ask for is evidence that "Amazon literally killed their employee", which nobody has provided yet, and probably never will, because it is becoming very clear that it never happened, and that this is just a case of mis-using the word "literally" for dramatic effect.
    - oblio 3y ago
      I think you're taking the word "literally" too literally.
    - vidarh 4y ago
      The word "literally" has long meant both "literally" and "figuratively" to the point that the latter meaning is in some dictionaries at this point, and is reasonably used in this context to imply indirect responsibility. If the person above literally meant literally in its original meaning, then I agree it was misused for dramatic effect. if the person above meant to use it in the sense of figuratively, then it was merely ambiguously written.

PNWChris 4y ago

There was a suicide attempt that sparked a lot of discussion about Amazon and the way they do PIPs back in 2016: https://www.geekwire.com/2016/report-amazon-employee-jumps-off-company-building-seattle/ https://www.geekwire.com/2016/report-amazon-employee-jumps-o... http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-employees-share-thoughts-about-suicide-survivor-2016-12 http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-employees-share-though... It prompted a lot of discussions in my workplace cafeteria and I recall it was discussed at length on Blind. The consensus I saw at the time was that Amazon has a really rough culture and something needed to change. I have not worked at Amazon, so I cannot speak directly to any of this, though.

scrum-treats 4y ago
Workplace conditions at Amazon (both tech and non-tech) are quite awful. There are countless reports of workplace bullying, harassment, and retaliation[1][2][3][4]. Regarding PIP/Focus, managers will make things up and falsely report status to HR. It's an incredibly toxic experience. Amazon also uses its tremendous power to do things like execute unlawful surveillance on current and former employees, and falsely accuse them of crimes[5]. Can you imagine trying to raise kids while Amazon is trying to take everything you own, without legal cause? Unreal this is allowed to happen. Regarding "death," warehouse workers are seriously injured twice as much as workers in other warehouses[6]. Amazon received numerous citations from OSHA last year for reasons including underreporting and mis-classifying incidents involving serious injuries and illness, as well as withholding information to OSHA. It's gotten bad enough even shareholders are pushing for change[7]. [1]https://www.seattletimes.com/business/amazon/they-think-they-can-do-anything-amazon-psychologist-describes-on-the-job-bullying-discrimination/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/amazon/they-think-they... [2]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-com-nlrb-idINKBN28R319 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-com-nlrb-idINKBN28... [3]https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/23/22590134/amazon-harassment-discrimination-allegations-investigation https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/23/22590134/amazon-harassmen... [4]https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjeans/2021/05/19/amazon-five-racial-discrimination-lawsuits/?sh=39b369fe7293 https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjeans/2021/05/19/amazon-fi... [5]https://www.seattletimes.com/business/after-3-years-seattles-amy-nelson-still-fighting-amazon-and-doj/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/after-3-years-seattles... [6]https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/amazon-warehouse-workers-are-seriously-injured-at-twice-the-rate-of-employees-at-similar-warehouses-study-finds/ar-AA19Pol8 https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/amazon-warehouse-worke... [7]https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/a-shareholder-revolt-at-amazon-reveals-potential-changes-ahead/ar-AA19ZQwR?cvid=4cdef722e0b841139e65895d817cb7b4&ei=45 https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/a-shareholder-revolt...