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Without the US there wouldn't be anything to regulate. Maybe we wouldn't be in this situation if Europe was capable of producing innovative companies that would

by pb7 4y ago

Without the US there wouldn't be anything to regulate. Maybe we wouldn't be in this situation if Europe was capable of producing innovative companies that would compete with Apple, Google, Amazon, Meta, and Microsoft. Instead, it's all copies of ideas pioneered in the US built for the local market.

nikitaga 4y ago
Pretty arrogant to assume that if the US wasn't available as the most fertile ground for tech companies, then there would be "anything". That's like saying that without China no electronics would be manufactured. Profit-seeking companies flocking to the most profitable jurisdiction is natural. If that jurisdiction was not available, most of them would simply go to the next most profitable one.
- pb7 4y ago
  Pretty embarrassing to admit that the only way Europe can compete is if the US didn’t exist. That’s the whole point, Europe is a hostile place for innovation. Even China found its place in the global market and it was dirt poor just 50 years ago.
anthk 4y ago
The US it's a political and sociological copy of Europe. We created you. You were developed around the industrial revolution from the Brits. Without them, you would be a lesser UK with no prosperity points. Also, not Brits, but without the European hardware and hard as fuck to build components in the 60's, 70's and the 80's, you would be doing... nothing today. No comms, no teleco hardware, no modern Arpanet and Internet, nothing at all. Have a look on Siemens, or Ericsson. Or ARM. A lot of low-level teleco and electronics has an European development.
- pb7 4y ago
  The US was born out of escaping what Europe was and then eclipsed it in a mere 300 years because Europe is stagnant and spends more time passing laws protecting “culture” than developing the future. What political similarity are you referring to? What has Europe created in the last 30 years during the Internet age and arguably the greatest period of technological advancement? Not much at all compared to the US. For every company of note, the US has a match, plus 50x more with the best in AI, self-driving, space, consumer, cloud, silicon, and so much more.
  - anthk 4y ago
    Your self-driving cars are stilll bad. Very bad, far from being a viable vehicle avoiding actual dangers. The cloud it's just rehashed mainframes, every Unix users in the 90's (and Athena) did that. On space, ok, but China it's getting closer daily. Consumer? Europe's food it's far better and cheaper. Silicon? ARM it's starting to create new chips again. Intel's design it's really bad, stacking layers and layers over 8086. Ditto with AMD64, a modern design but chained to i386's legacies. At least with Pentium IIII and beyond did it right; but further RISC and OpenPower will put Intel/amd64 aside. Even more with the climate change and ultra low-power ARM based servers. On AI, China has goverment funded project far ahead of the USA. And scarier for civil rights, OFC. But that's another question. You trully innovated in the 50's, 60's and 70's. You are very far from the innovation of that era. Even the infamous Crispr technology was build upon the basis started from a Spaniard. Back in the day you had Unix, VMS, Tops 10, Tops 20, and ITS from MIT with C, LISP... with crazy new and cool features which didn't ever exist in any place in the world. Today you are rehashing 90's tech over and over. Such as Go built upon Plan9/Inferno/Alef and plan9's C compilers. Where's the new cool stuff? The MIT machine with ITS with Emacs and RMS with GNU looked like alien technology from another dimension. If you were as revolutionary as the 70's, we would heave cheap, reliable desktop and laptop sized machines with Risc-V chips and free software available for any citizen. No, not a laptop for $1200, but much cheaper, making the ideal STEM/creativity machine.
    - pb7 4y ago
      >Your self-driving cars are stilll bad. Huh? We have Waymo and Cruise, both of which operate a taxi service with no driver in the car in a major city, on top of many other smaller players including Tesla. Waymo has a stellar safety record to boot. Bad compared to what exactly? Not human drivers, not anything built anywhere else. >The cloud it's just rehashed mainframes, every Unix users in the 90's (and Athena) did that. If everyone was doing it, how come the top 3 players are all in the US? Why is Europe reliant on US cloud instead of having its own? And just like everything else, only "competing" with it by kneecapping it with regulation. >On space, ok, but China it's getting closer daily. Not Europe though, is it? >Consumer? Europe's food it's far better and cheaper. Consumer technology... which is what this conversation is about. >On AI, China has goverment funded project far ahead of the USA. Again, what does this have to do with Europe? Further, what projects exactly? If you can't use them, they don't exist. OpenAI is making entire job functions obsolete today. Reminder that the population of the US is 350M, EU 450M, Europe 750M, and China 1.5B.

by pb7 4y ago

nikitaga 4y ago

Pretty arrogant to assume that if the US wasn't available as the most fertile ground for tech companies, then there would be "anything". That's like saying that without China no electronics would be manufactured. Profit-seeking companies flocking to the most profitable jurisdiction is natural. If that jurisdiction was not available, most of them would simply go to the next most profitable one.

pb7 4y ago
Pretty embarrassing to admit that the only way Europe can compete is if the US didn’t exist. That’s the whole point, Europe is a hostile place for innovation. Even China found its place in the global market and it was dirt poor just 50 years ago.

anthk 4y ago

The US it's a political and sociological copy of Europe. We created you. You were developed around the industrial revolution from the Brits. Without them, you would be a lesser UK with no prosperity points. Also, not Brits, but without the European hardware and hard as fuck to build components in the 60's, 70's and the 80's, you would be doing... nothing today. No comms, no teleco hardware, no modern Arpanet and Internet, nothing at all. Have a look on Siemens, or Ericsson. Or ARM. A lot of low-level teleco and electronics has an European development.

pb7 4y ago
The US was born out of escaping what Europe was and then eclipsed it in a mere 300 years because Europe is stagnant and spends more time passing laws protecting “culture” than developing the future. What political similarity are you referring to? What has Europe created in the last 30 years during the Internet age and arguably the greatest period of technological advancement? Not much at all compared to the US. For every company of note, the US has a match, plus 50x more with the best in AI, self-driving, space, consumer, cloud, silicon, and so much more.
- anthk 4y ago
  Your self-driving cars are stilll bad. Very bad, far from being a viable vehicle avoiding actual dangers. The cloud it's just rehashed mainframes, every Unix users in the 90's (and Athena) did that. On space, ok, but China it's getting closer daily. Consumer? Europe's food it's far better and cheaper. Silicon? ARM it's starting to create new chips again. Intel's design it's really bad, stacking layers and layers over 8086. Ditto with AMD64, a modern design but chained to i386's legacies. At least with Pentium IIII and beyond did it right; but further RISC and OpenPower will put Intel/amd64 aside. Even more with the climate change and ultra low-power ARM based servers. On AI, China has goverment funded project far ahead of the USA. And scarier for civil rights, OFC. But that's another question. You trully innovated in the 50's, 60's and 70's. You are very far from the innovation of that era. Even the infamous Crispr technology was build upon the basis started from a Spaniard. Back in the day you had Unix, VMS, Tops 10, Tops 20, and ITS from MIT with C, LISP... with crazy new and cool features which didn't ever exist in any place in the world. Today you are rehashing 90's tech over and over. Such as Go built upon Plan9/Inferno/Alef and plan9's C compilers. Where's the new cool stuff? The MIT machine with ITS with Emacs and RMS with GNU looked like alien technology from another dimension. If you were as revolutionary as the 70's, we would heave cheap, reliable desktop and laptop sized machines with Risc-V chips and free software available for any citizen. No, not a laptop for $1200, but much cheaper, making the ideal STEM/creativity machine.
  - pb7 4y ago
    >Your self-driving cars are stilll bad. Huh? We have Waymo and Cruise, both of which operate a taxi service with no driver in the car in a major city, on top of many other smaller players including Tesla. Waymo has a stellar safety record to boot. Bad compared to what exactly? Not human drivers, not anything built anywhere else. >The cloud it's just rehashed mainframes, every Unix users in the 90's (and Athena) did that. If everyone was doing it, how come the top 3 players are all in the US? Why is Europe reliant on US cloud instead of having its own? And just like everything else, only "competing" with it by kneecapping it with regulation. >On space, ok, but China it's getting closer daily. Not Europe though, is it? >Consumer? Europe's food it's far better and cheaper. Consumer technology... which is what this conversation is about. >On AI, China has goverment funded project far ahead of the USA. Again, what does this have to do with Europe? Further, what projects exactly? If you can't use them, they don't exist. OpenAI is making entire job functions obsolete today. Reminder that the population of the US is 350M, EU 450M, Europe 750M, and China 1.5B.