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Should we even need that many electricians these days? Nowadays, most houses should move to use power over Ethernet/USBC for all the lights, cameras, vacuums ,

Should we even need that many electricians these days? Nowadays, most houses should move to use power over Ethernet/USBC for all the lights, cameras, vacuums , toasters(with a small battery), and most of the sockets. That way only big appliances (washer, stove, heater, etc) still need a real electrician to come help with.

elevaet 3y ago
New builds, renovations, extensions generally all need electrical work.
NotYourLawyer 3y ago
I have never seen an electrical socket that was powered via Ethernet or USB-C.
- yazaddaruvala 3y ago
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bbradley406 3y ago
It's code that you must have outlets every so many feet, regardless if 12V / 5V appliances are more efficient. Even then you still need to be familiar with code to run low voltage wiring. Things like - How high outlets and switches must be off the floor - How close to plumbing / ducting wires can be and where you can run them - Which areas need GFCI - How to hammer in a wire staple securely without damaging the insulation (harder than it sounds) - How to divvy up circuits and pick appropriate gauge wire - How to wire n-way switches This stuff is not idiot-proof, even at low voltages. If you get it wrong, your house burns down and insurance won't pay out. In my experience it's better to have a master electrician lay out the circuits and give advice while you do the grunt work of routing and pulling runs. Let them handle the panels, wiring switches, outlets and lights, and listen to their stories (most electricians have some good ones)
hotpotamus 3y ago
I don't know why you're being downvoted; it's a pretty interesting idea. A buddy mentioned a few years back that his church had moved their lighting over to PoE and ever since then I think that makes a lot of sense - I find it bonkers to think now that a room might have needed a couple hundred watts of lighting even a decade or two ago. Fluorescents and then LEDs really changed that game at least. A power-caching toaster seems feasible if a bit overly complicated, and vacuums may or may not work (I think the latest PoE spec is like 95 watts?) What I don't like the idea of is needing to bring in a network engineer to troubleshoot my lights though (and I say that as someone who occasionally works on a variety of network gear as part of my job). I suppose unmanaged PoE switches need not be too complicated though.
- yazaddaruvala 3y ago
  > vacuums may or may not work (I think the latest PoE spec is like 95 watts?) My vacuum is cordless anyways. Batteries solve a lot of these problems, and are typically more ergonomic anyways. > What I don't like the idea of is needing to bring in a network engineer to troubleshoot my lights though lol, yes. The hope is that you don't need a certification, and as such more people would be able to DIY or contract the job. If its MORE work/skill, then I agree that is not helpful.

elevaet 3y ago

New builds, renovations, extensions generally all need electrical work.

NotYourLawyer 3y ago

I have never seen an electrical socket that was powered via Ethernet or USB-C.

yazaddaruvala 3y ago
Check out this hotel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4aTcU6Fzoc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4aTcU6Fzoc

bbradley406 3y ago

It's code that you must have outlets every so many feet, regardless if 12V / 5V appliances are more efficient. Even then you still need to be familiar with code to run low voltage wiring. Things like - How high outlets and switches must be off the floor - How close to plumbing / ducting wires can be and where you can run them - Which areas need GFCI - How to hammer in a wire staple securely without damaging the insulation (harder than it sounds) - How to divvy up circuits and pick appropriate gauge wire - How to wire n-way switches This stuff is not idiot-proof, even at low voltages. If you get it wrong, your house burns down and insurance won't pay out. In my experience it's better to have a master electrician lay out the circuits and give advice while you do the grunt work of routing and pulling runs. Let them handle the panels, wiring switches, outlets and lights, and listen to their stories (most electricians have some good ones)

hotpotamus 3y ago

I don't know why you're being downvoted; it's a pretty interesting idea. A buddy mentioned a few years back that his church had moved their lighting over to PoE and ever since then I think that makes a lot of sense - I find it bonkers to think now that a room might have needed a couple hundred watts of lighting even a decade or two ago. Fluorescents and then LEDs really changed that game at least. A power-caching toaster seems feasible if a bit overly complicated, and vacuums may or may not work (I think the latest PoE spec is like 95 watts?) What I don't like the idea of is needing to bring in a network engineer to troubleshoot my lights though (and I say that as someone who occasionally works on a variety of network gear as part of my job). I suppose unmanaged PoE switches need not be too complicated though.

yazaddaruvala 3y ago
> vacuums may or may not work (I think the latest PoE spec is like 95 watts?) My vacuum is cordless anyways. Batteries solve a lot of these problems, and are typically more ergonomic anyways. > What I don't like the idea of is needing to bring in a network engineer to troubleshoot my lights though lol, yes. The hope is that you don't need a certification, and as such more people would be able to DIY or contract the job. If its MORE work/skill, then I agree that is not helpful.