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Ryzen 7 is the high end of the gaming market in AMDs offerings. Buying an EPYC would give you worse performance for more cost and higher power budget (games sti

Ryzen 7 is the high end of the gaming market in AMDs offerings. Buying an EPYC would give you worse performance for more cost and higher power budget (games still generally benefit more from a modest core count + high single core speed rather than the high core count + modest single core speed found in most high end server/workstation chips).

AnthonyMouse 4y ago
Ryzen 7 is the midrange processor. Ryzen 9 has a higher boost clock but also has two CCD for not much more money. The high end is Threadripper (though there isn't a Zen4 one (yet?)), and that has up to 8 CCD which is still bigger than the 4090. You're comparing a ~$350 CPU to a ~$1600 GPU.
- p1necone 4y ago
  No, Ryzen 7 is the high end of their regular desktop chips. ThreadRipper is a different market segment altogether, and with all the ones they've released so far have been worse for gaming outside of a few titles that really benefit from the high thread count. Intel and Ryzens consumer chips both follow the same marketing formula: > Celeron/Athlon: ultra low end > Ryzen 3/i3: low end > Ryzen 5/i5: mid range > Ryzen 7/i7: high end > Ryzen 9/i9: I have money coming out of my ears and want a bigger number than everyone else. CPUs in general are cheaper than GPUs - spending the same amount on the CPU as the GPU has almost never been the right move. The fact that you have to move out of the consumer product range and into the workstation stuff to even find CPUs that cost as much as high end consumer GPUs should make that clear - the GPU equivalent in that space would be stuff like Quadros or RTX AXXX, which just like threadrippers and epycs are worse for gaming because they focus on memory and stability rather than raw power.
  - AnthonyMouse 4y ago
    The market segment for Threadripper is literally called High-End Desktop (HEDT). The pricing for Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 overlap. The Ryzen 9 7900 costs less than the Ryzen 7 7800X3D. And Ryzen 9 has better performance per dollar than Ryzen 7 on threaded workloads. The demarcation for "I have money coming out of my ears and want a bigger number than everyone else" is where dollars start going up faster than performance, which is unambiguously Threadripper/HEDT. But Threadripper actually is significantly faster for the kind AI workload that would otherwise be done on a GPU, or for which a fast iGPU would make sense, because it has traditinally had twice as many memory channels. If Zen 4 Threadripper ends up on Socket SP6, it will have three times as many memory channels as Socket AM5. Zen 4-based Ryzen 3 doesn't exist and there hasn't been a new Zen-based Athlon for desktop since Zen+ three years ago.

AnthonyMouse 4y ago

Ryzen 7 is the midrange processor. Ryzen 9 has a higher boost clock but also has two CCD for not much more money. The high end is Threadripper (though there isn't a Zen4 one (yet?)), and that has up to 8 CCD which is still bigger than the 4090. You're comparing a ~$350 CPU to a ~$1600 GPU.

p1necone 4y ago
No, Ryzen 7 is the high end of their regular desktop chips. ThreadRipper is a different market segment altogether, and with all the ones they've released so far have been worse for gaming outside of a few titles that really benefit from the high thread count. Intel and Ryzens consumer chips both follow the same marketing formula: > Celeron/Athlon: ultra low end > Ryzen 3/i3: low end > Ryzen 5/i5: mid range > Ryzen 7/i7: high end > Ryzen 9/i9: I have money coming out of my ears and want a bigger number than everyone else. CPUs in general are cheaper than GPUs - spending the same amount on the CPU as the GPU has almost never been the right move. The fact that you have to move out of the consumer product range and into the workstation stuff to even find CPUs that cost as much as high end consumer GPUs should make that clear - the GPU equivalent in that space would be stuff like Quadros or RTX AXXX, which just like threadrippers and epycs are worse for gaming because they focus on memory and stability rather than raw power.
- AnthonyMouse 4y ago
  The market segment for Threadripper is literally called High-End Desktop (HEDT). The pricing for Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 overlap. The Ryzen 9 7900 costs less than the Ryzen 7 7800X3D. And Ryzen 9 has better performance per dollar than Ryzen 7 on threaded workloads. The demarcation for "I have money coming out of my ears and want a bigger number than everyone else" is where dollars start going up faster than performance, which is unambiguously Threadripper/HEDT. But Threadripper actually is significantly faster for the kind AI workload that would otherwise be done on a GPU, or for which a fast iGPU would make sense, because it has traditinally had twice as many memory channels. If Zen 4 Threadripper ends up on Socket SP6, it will have three times as many memory channels as Socket AM5. Zen 4-based Ryzen 3 doesn't exist and there hasn't been a new Zen-based Athlon for desktop since Zen+ three years ago.