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the current gov is the previous gov… and macron has been in the,government before the previous one as its economy minister (and he was widely considered as its

the current gov is the previous gov… and macron has been in the,government before the previous one as its economy minister (and he was widely considered as its most important member) and before that he was in the comission atali under sakorzy. so we have the same people and the same school of thought governing france since 2008. and guess what ? theres a reason our gdp per ppp did not move from 2008 while other countries got wealthier. our wealth got distributed to shareholders of companies like doctolib so that you can praise how good it is to book online a random doctor - again with no way to get feedback or review from patient like in the us system for instance - then struggle even more to get a first appointment because doctors dont take new patients and now that everything is digital you cant even go there or call to discuss your case. i reckon its better for you as a foreigner that did not live in france to see how it was before. 10 years in france and,you know already what is best for 90% of its people, you either shareholder of doctolib or linked to the gov. every IT person at ameli would tell you they ve been gutted, their data scrapped by doctolib . doctolib only exist because massive money went in so that private shareholder can get wealthy using french citizen health data and you see it as progress?

sofixa 4y ago
> the current gov is the previous gov… and macron has been in the,government before the previous one as its economy minister (and he was widely considered as its most important member) and before that he was in the comission atali under sakorzy. so we have the same people and the same school of thought governing france since 2008. That's a very big stretch and also false. Macron was only appointed as minister of Finance in 2014, 3 years into Hollande's term, and it only happened because Hollande's initial financial and economic policies were turning out to be disastrous so a change was needed. > and guess what ? theres a reason our gdp per ppp did not move from 2008 while other countries got wealthier. our wealth got distributed to shareholders I think you need to update your talking points, GDP PPP has been going up (Covid being an exception) since the Macron years: https://www.worldeconomics.com/GrossDomesticProduct/Real-GDP-PPP/France.aspx https://www.worldeconomics.com/GrossDomesticProduct/Real-GDP... > then struggle even more to get a first appointment because doctors dont take new patients and now that everything is digital you cant even go there or call to discuss your case You're confusing problems. There not being enough doctors and them not taking in new patients had nothing to do with "digital" or not. It's just that with "digital" you can actually know in advance when you can get a meeting with which doctor instead of having to make the rounds calling or visiting all doctors in your area. You cannot seriously tell me that this is a bad thing. And again, clinics and cabinets of multiple doctors still have assistants that you can call or visit to talk to if you prefer a slower and suboptimal way of doing things. > reckon its better for you as a foreigner that did not live in france to see how it was before When I arrived, universally all public IT systems were just shit. Like from a bad movie, designed by people who hadn't come close to computers, and written by people who won't use them and couldn't care any less. Again, ANTS, Impôts, Ameli, all those are new(or renewed) and with seamless making it easy to do basic administrative stuff without having to get an appointment at an office that only works 10-11:30 on Tuesdays on the third week of months, on a website that falls down every time there are more than 5 people on it (that was the case with my prefecture). > doctolib only exist because massive money went in so that private shareholder can get wealthy using french citizen health data They're not "using french citizen data", they're providing a service that uses it. Also, you keep saying "shareholders getting wealthier".. you know that Doctolib is private and thus we don't know about their financials and it's "shareholders", which btw includes Bpifrance (state investment bank), aren't wealthier for it?

sofixa 4y ago

> the current gov is the previous gov… and macron has been in the,government before the previous one as its economy minister (and he was widely considered as its most important member) and before that he was in the comission atali under sakorzy. so we have the same people and the same school of thought governing france since 2008. That's a very big stretch and also false. Macron was only appointed as minister of Finance in 2014, 3 years into Hollande's term, and it only happened because Hollande's initial financial and economic policies were turning out to be disastrous so a change was needed. > and guess what ? theres a reason our gdp per ppp did not move from 2008 while other countries got wealthier. our wealth got distributed to shareholders I think you need to update your talking points, GDP PPP has been going up (Covid being an exception) since the Macron years: https://www.worldeconomics.com/GrossDomesticProduct/Real-GDP-PPP/France.aspx https://www.worldeconomics.com/GrossDomesticProduct/Real-GDP... > then struggle even more to get a first appointment because doctors dont take new patients and now that everything is digital you cant even go there or call to discuss your case You're confusing problems. There not being enough doctors and them not taking in new patients had nothing to do with "digital" or not. It's just that with "digital" you can actually know in advance when you can get a meeting with which doctor instead of having to make the rounds calling or visiting all doctors in your area. You cannot seriously tell me that this is a bad thing. And again, clinics and cabinets of multiple doctors still have assistants that you can call or visit to talk to if you prefer a slower and suboptimal way of doing things. > reckon its better for you as a foreigner that did not live in france to see how it was before When I arrived, universally all public IT systems were just shit. Like from a bad movie, designed by people who hadn't come close to computers, and written by people who won't use them and couldn't care any less. Again, ANTS, Impôts, Ameli, all those are new(or renewed) and with seamless making it easy to do basic administrative stuff without having to get an appointment at an office that only works 10-11:30 on Tuesdays on the third week of months, on a website that falls down every time there are more than 5 people on it (that was the case with my prefecture). > doctolib only exist because massive money went in so that private shareholder can get wealthy using french citizen health data They're not "using french citizen data", they're providing a service that uses it. Also, you keep saying "shareholders getting wealthier".. you know that Doctolib is private and thus we don't know about their financials and it's "shareholders", which btw includes Bpifrance (state investment bank), aren't wealthier for it?