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You can side load in other app stores in Android. iOS started out with side-loading, but then this was crushed by Apple's exercise of their absolute control of

You can side load in other app stores in Android. iOS started out with side-loading, but then this was crushed by Apple's exercise of their absolute control of the operating system.

threeseed 4y ago
iOS didn't start with side-loading. Do you have a source for this ?
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  What mullingtover refers to.
- judge2020 4y ago
  The first App Store was Cydia. Technically side-loading with how Apple failed to predict the dedication of breaking the (trivial, at the time) security to add more native apps to the home screen. https://www.engadget.com/2008/02/28/debian-style-installation-arrives-on-iphone/ https://www.engadget.com/2008/02/28/debian-style-installatio...
  - simondotau 4y ago
    Poor security wasn't a feature.
    - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
      Did removing this "bug" make things any more secure than, say, welding the bios chip to a motherboard?
mullingitover 4y ago
> iOS started out with side-loading I don't recall sideloading ever being a thing iOS started out with. There was a trivial jailbreak and very easy third party app store install for jailbroken devices, but that was essentially a defect and not something iOS was designed for.
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  Yes, that's what I'm writing about. The feature existed (whether Apple wanted it, or in this case, not). Then they removed it.
  - GeekyBear 4y ago
    You can sideload apps to your own device using a free developer account.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - zakki 4y ago
      While acknowledging that most users are not a developer? Compare it with computer (desktop/laptop) market. Users can install any software they found in internet that they trust it is safe.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        How well has the average consumer been able to ascertain the “safety” of apps on PCs over the last two decades?”
      - KyeRussell 4y ago
        OK, but the usual counter-argument against the claim that there is genuine security benefit in the current situation, is that “nobody will use it”, “hide it several levels deep in settings”, or whatever. You can’t have it both ways.
      - GeekyBear 4y ago
        > While acknowledging that most users are not a developer? You don't have to be "a developer" to install, for instance, the sort of retro-gaming emulator you use to play classic console games. You just need a free developer account Apple ID. > Through an app called AltStore, you can install emulators onto your phone through a method called sideloading. If you're unfamiliar with the term, sideloading is installing software without using the App Store. https://www.pocketgamer.com/next-level-gaming/how-to-install-an-emulator-on-ios/ https://www.pocketgamer.com/next-level-gaming/how-to-install...
KyeRussell 4y ago
Genuinely, who do you think is convinced by your comment? You aren’t a lawyer making your case to a jury of dopes. You aren’t going to win everyone over with empty emotive language like “crushed”. To argue that the existence of Cydia means that “Apple started out with side-loading” is intellectually dishonest. I know it, and I know that you know it. If you have a real argument, you shouldn’t need to resort to this.
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  > Genuinely, who do you think is convinced by your comment? People like me who aren't programmers, or even power users anymore. > I know it, and I know that you know it. A long time ago I used to modify the Windows ME registry, and it genuinely created some features doing so. Then they removed this windows-altering ability from the particular feature I was modding and my mods were useless. Maybe the MS programmers saw this as a bug being fixed, but I saw it as a feature being removed. I basically haven't been a Windows power user since ME because of stuff like this. ----- Nothing Apple is doing is materially different from what Microsoft was sued for in the 90s by anti-trust enforcers. In fact, it's a bit more, because it just isn't a default browser, it's control of every app. Apple's share of the US market is just slightly less than Microsoft's was at the time.

You can side load in other app stores in Android. iOS started out with side-loading, but then this was crushed by Apple's exercise of their absolute control of the operating system.

threeseed 4y ago

iOS didn't start with side-loading. Do you have a source for this ?

anonymouskimmer 4y ago
What mullingtover refers to.
judge2020 4y ago
The first App Store was Cydia. Technically side-loading with how Apple failed to predict the dedication of breaking the (trivial, at the time) security to add more native apps to the home screen. https://www.engadget.com/2008/02/28/debian-style-installation-arrives-on-iphone/ https://www.engadget.com/2008/02/28/debian-style-installatio...
- simondotau 4y ago
  Poor security wasn't a feature.
  - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
    Did removing this "bug" make things any more secure than, say, welding the bios chip to a motherboard?

mullingitover 4y ago

> iOS started out with side-loading I don't recall sideloading ever being a thing iOS started out with. There was a trivial jailbreak and very easy third party app store install for jailbroken devices, but that was essentially a defect and not something iOS was designed for.

anonymouskimmer 4y ago
Yes, that's what I'm writing about. The feature existed (whether Apple wanted it, or in this case, not). Then they removed it.
- GeekyBear 4y ago
  You can sideload apps to your own device using a free developer account.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - zakki 4y ago
    While acknowledging that most users are not a developer? Compare it with computer (desktop/laptop) market. Users can install any software they found in internet that they trust it is safe.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      How well has the average consumer been able to ascertain the “safety” of apps on PCs over the last two decades?”
    - KyeRussell 4y ago
      OK, but the usual counter-argument against the claim that there is genuine security benefit in the current situation, is that “nobody will use it”, “hide it several levels deep in settings”, or whatever. You can’t have it both ways.
    - GeekyBear 4y ago
      > While acknowledging that most users are not a developer? You don't have to be "a developer" to install, for instance, the sort of retro-gaming emulator you use to play classic console games. You just need a free developer account Apple ID. > Through an app called AltStore, you can install emulators onto your phone through a method called sideloading. If you're unfamiliar with the term, sideloading is installing software without using the App Store. https://www.pocketgamer.com/next-level-gaming/how-to-install-an-emulator-on-ios/ https://www.pocketgamer.com/next-level-gaming/how-to-install...

KyeRussell 4y ago

Genuinely, who do you think is convinced by your comment? You aren’t a lawyer making your case to a jury of dopes. You aren’t going to win everyone over with empty emotive language like “crushed”. To argue that the existence of Cydia means that “Apple started out with side-loading” is intellectually dishonest. I know it, and I know that you know it. If you have a real argument, you shouldn’t need to resort to this.

anonymouskimmer 4y ago
> Genuinely, who do you think is convinced by your comment? People like me who aren't programmers, or even power users anymore. > I know it, and I know that you know it. A long time ago I used to modify the Windows ME registry, and it genuinely created some features doing so. Then they removed this windows-altering ability from the particular feature I was modding and my mods were useless. Maybe the MS programmers saw this as a bug being fixed, but I saw it as a feature being removed. I basically haven't been a Windows power user since ME because of stuff like this. ----- Nothing Apple is doing is materially different from what Microsoft was sued for in the 90s by anti-trust enforcers. In fact, it's a bit more, because it just isn't a default browser, it's control of every app. Apple's share of the US market is just slightly less than Microsoft's was at the time.