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Both theory and practice IMHO can be learned by motivated person in a year, but to get even a journeyman license one needs to work 4 years (may vary by state) a

Both theory and practice IMHO can be learned by motivated person in a year, but to get even a journeyman license one needs to work 4 years (may vary by state) as an apprentice being paid pennies and not necessary receiving all necessary knowledge.

citrin_ru 4y ago
A requirement to work 4 years being paid very little before you can get license and be paid for the work strongly reminds me servitude. If it was only about knowledge it should have been possible to demonstrate it by passing a hard exam, but one not allowed to take an exam until servitude if paid off.
- claytongulick 4y ago
  And how much do you get paid while going to college for those four years?
  - flangola7 4y ago
    It clearly isn't the same. We are not selling our labor for pennies on the dollar to someone else.
    - claytongulick 4y ago
      You are getting trained during an apprenticeship. You're literally being paid to learn. And pretty well! For example, an apprentice welder has an average salary of close to 50k/yr [1], a senior apprentice welder is closer to 60k. In Florida, it's a bit more for electricians [2]. Even the lowest salary range I can find for apprentice electricians is in the high 30's. Is that pennies? The college grad comes out with a degree and anywhere from 50-200k of debt. The apprentice made 200k during those four years. That's a 400k difference over four years. And the tradesman is poised to make the same, if not more, than the college grad after that. Oh, and I'm not sure what industry you work in, but everyone who is employed by a profitable business sells their labor for pennies on the dollar, otherwise the business wouldn't be profitable. [1] https://www.salaryexpert.com/salary/job/welder-apprentice/united-states/florida https://www.salaryexpert.com/salary/job/welder-apprentice/un... [2] https://www.salary.com/research/salary/alternate/electrician-apprentice-salary/fl https://www.salary.com/research/salary/alternate/electrician...
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- gww 4y ago
  It also sounds like graduate school for scientists.

citrin_ru 4y ago

A requirement to work 4 years being paid very little before you can get license and be paid for the work strongly reminds me servitude. If it was only about knowledge it should have been possible to demonstrate it by passing a hard exam, but one not allowed to take an exam until servitude if paid off.

claytongulick 4y ago
And how much do you get paid while going to college for those four years?
- flangola7 4y ago
  It clearly isn't the same. We are not selling our labor for pennies on the dollar to someone else.
  - claytongulick 4y ago
    You are getting trained during an apprenticeship. You're literally being paid to learn. And pretty well! For example, an apprentice welder has an average salary of close to 50k/yr [1], a senior apprentice welder is closer to 60k. In Florida, it's a bit more for electricians [2]. Even the lowest salary range I can find for apprentice electricians is in the high 30's. Is that pennies? The college grad comes out with a degree and anywhere from 50-200k of debt. The apprentice made 200k during those four years. That's a 400k difference over four years. And the tradesman is poised to make the same, if not more, than the college grad after that. Oh, and I'm not sure what industry you work in, but everyone who is employed by a profitable business sells their labor for pennies on the dollar, otherwise the business wouldn't be profitable. [1] https://www.salaryexpert.com/salary/job/welder-apprentice/united-states/florida https://www.salaryexpert.com/salary/job/welder-apprentice/un... [2] https://www.salary.com/research/salary/alternate/electrician-apprentice-salary/fl https://www.salary.com/research/salary/alternate/electrician...
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gww 4y ago
It also sounds like graduate school for scientists.