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It's been 44 years, I think we need to stop giving countries a pass like this, at a certain point, their destiny is their own.

by voz_ 3y ago

forgetfulness 3y ago
The Iranian regime is absolutely brutal at repressing revolt, the revolts are also violent but of course nothing can match a state apparatus that has to shut the country to the outside world to hide the massacre; the country has been in a state of civil unrest for the better part of the past 6 years and I count the Wikipedia estimates at some 4000 dead from the response of state actors.
user982 3y ago
For all of those 44 years, the US has been continuously sanctioning, attacking, isolating, and threatening Iran.
- voz_ 3y ago
  Maybe if they didn't sponsor terrorism around the world, while oppressing their own people, they wouldn't get sanctioned? The find out part of fuck around doesn't mean they don't control their own destiny. Plenty of normal countries to look at for example.
  - andrepd 3y ago
    That's a weak argument, as we (the West) sponsor many terrorist or oppressive regimes as long as it is in our economic or political interest. The US sponsored brutal and even genocidal regimes from Guatemala to Timor. Talking about morality and "fighting terrorism and oppression" is laughable.
  - erenyeager 3y ago
    The Us is a terrorist supporting inhumane regime that puts a pretense of being moral on the world stage. In reality it’s a very rotten country internally and as an American I really hope we can change that but all evidence seems opposite.
istajeer242 3y ago
You do realize that western policies to this day have emboldened the mullahs in power? These sanctions just increase their control, and US govt obviously knows it. So much border trade occurs in spite of the actions, and mullahs garner more control. Nuclear deal was another case.
andrepd 3y ago
Counties live in the shadow of things that happened thousands of years ago... 44 years is barely a generation.
mkoubaa 3y ago
Yeah, why haven't they overthrown a brutally repressive regime? Haven't they heard of Ghandi? Please - don't do this. You don't know how hard it is for revolutions to succeed

It's been 44 years, I think we need to stop giving countries a pass like this, at a certain point, their destiny is their own.

by voz_ 3y ago

It's been 44 years, I think we need to stop giving countries a pass like this, at a certain point, their destiny is their own.

forgetfulness 3y ago

The Iranian regime is absolutely brutal at repressing revolt, the revolts are also violent but of course nothing can match a state apparatus that has to shut the country to the outside world to hide the massacre; the country has been in a state of civil unrest for the better part of the past 6 years and I count the Wikipedia estimates at some 4000 dead from the response of state actors.

user982 3y ago

For all of those 44 years, the US has been continuously sanctioning, attacking, isolating, and threatening Iran.

voz_ 3y ago
Maybe if they didn't sponsor terrorism around the world, while oppressing their own people, they wouldn't get sanctioned? The find out part of fuck around doesn't mean they don't control their own destiny. Plenty of normal countries to look at for example.
- andrepd 3y ago
  That's a weak argument, as we (the West) sponsor many terrorist or oppressive regimes as long as it is in our economic or political interest. The US sponsored brutal and even genocidal regimes from Guatemala to Timor. Talking about morality and "fighting terrorism and oppression" is laughable.
- erenyeager 3y ago
  The Us is a terrorist supporting inhumane regime that puts a pretense of being moral on the world stage. In reality it’s a very rotten country internally and as an American I really hope we can change that but all evidence seems opposite.

istajeer242 3y ago

You do realize that western policies to this day have emboldened the mullahs in power? These sanctions just increase their control, and US govt obviously knows it. So much border trade occurs in spite of the actions, and mullahs garner more control. Nuclear deal was another case.

andrepd 3y ago

Counties live in the shadow of things that happened thousands of years ago... 44 years is barely a generation.

mkoubaa 3y ago

Yeah, why haven't they overthrown a brutally repressive regime? Haven't they heard of Ghandi? Please - don't do this. You don't know how hard it is for revolutions to succeed