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Well, I would put the pop-up more towards the end of the content. Also, you misrepresent the assumption. The assumption is that if the user is so annoyed even

Well, I would put the pop-up more towards the end of the content. Also, you misrepresent the assumption. The assumption is that if the user is so annoyed even by just the attempt of conversion that they leave the site, that then you will have a hard time to ever convert them. That assumption doesn't sound ridiculous at all to me. Also, it doesn't need to be true 100% of the time. Even 50% is probably enough to justify it, because if you don't attempt to convert, you will not convert for sure.

Timwi 4y ago
Your fixation on users as something that needs “converting”, and your insistence that anyone who doesn't “convert” doesn't matter and is not worthy of any consideration... well, let's just say, it explains why so many websites are unusable. I want to visit websites that are made for human beings, not commodities.
- auggierose 4y ago
  Me too! But human beings must eat. So, get rid of capitalism, or convert. Keep in mind that conversion here means to provide the author of the content, hopefully a human being, with an email, so that they can inform you of interesting new content. I cannot see anything inhumane in this.
ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
it indeed sounds ridiculous to expect them to provide their personal information to you the first time they ever see any of your content, even if it's almost 1 whole piece of content 1 webpage view is rarely worth a piece of personal information as intimate as an email address, so you could either focus on demanding something less demanding, or making that 1 webpage view into multiple
- auggierose 4y ago
  Or just make good content, and let people filter themselves out, if they are not interested. If my content is not worth your email, you don't have to give it. If you furthermore don't deem my content worth the small annoyance of being asked for your email, fine! Bye bye. The alternative is that I have to track you somehow, and determine how often you visited my content. I wouldn't like that. It is more complicated, it is creepier, and I very much doubt that it would convert better.
  - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
    or just focus on demanding something less demanding, or making that 1 webpage view into multiple by making good content either way, you're in the minority in feeling that someone viewing <1 piece of your internet content entitles you to personal information about them as intimate as an email address, because it is a ridiculous expectation
    - auggierose 4y ago
      I don't think I am entitled to anything. You can provide me with your email, or not. Up to you.
      - jrochkind1 4y ago
        So, your point here, is that people complaining about algorithmically timed email-harvesting popups over articles are annoying you, and you want them to know you plan to continue this practice despite their complaints? OK. I think those people plan to keep complaining about how it annoys them, anyway, too. We all good now?
      - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
        it would be good if you could consider the third option: produce content that drives people to return to or remain on your site and eventually subscribe without the pop-up, since most people would agree it's unreasonable to interrupt someone for such intimate personal information as you're asking, when they've not even seen a single whole piece of content indeed, this seems like a case where it's actually up to you

Timwi 4y ago

Your fixation on users as something that needs “converting”, and your insistence that anyone who doesn't “convert” doesn't matter and is not worthy of any consideration... well, let's just say, it explains why so many websites are unusable. I want to visit websites that are made for human beings, not commodities.

auggierose 4y ago
Me too! But human beings must eat. So, get rid of capitalism, or convert. Keep in mind that conversion here means to provide the author of the content, hopefully a human being, with an email, so that they can inform you of interesting new content. I cannot see anything inhumane in this.

ImPostingOnHN 4y ago

it indeed sounds ridiculous to expect them to provide their personal information to you the first time they ever see any of your content, even if it's almost 1 whole piece of content 1 webpage view is rarely worth a piece of personal information as intimate as an email address, so you could either focus on demanding something less demanding, or making that 1 webpage view into multiple

auggierose 4y ago
Or just make good content, and let people filter themselves out, if they are not interested. If my content is not worth your email, you don't have to give it. If you furthermore don't deem my content worth the small annoyance of being asked for your email, fine! Bye bye. The alternative is that I have to track you somehow, and determine how often you visited my content. I wouldn't like that. It is more complicated, it is creepier, and I very much doubt that it would convert better.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  or just focus on demanding something less demanding, or making that 1 webpage view into multiple by making good content either way, you're in the minority in feeling that someone viewing <1 piece of your internet content entitles you to personal information about them as intimate as an email address, because it is a ridiculous expectation
  - auggierose 4y ago
    I don't think I am entitled to anything. You can provide me with your email, or not. Up to you.
    - jrochkind1 4y ago
      So, your point here, is that people complaining about algorithmically timed email-harvesting popups over articles are annoying you, and you want them to know you plan to continue this practice despite their complaints? OK. I think those people plan to keep complaining about how it annoys them, anyway, too. We all good now?
    - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
      it would be good if you could consider the third option: produce content that drives people to return to or remain on your site and eventually subscribe without the pop-up, since most people would agree it's unreasonable to interrupt someone for such intimate personal information as you're asking, when they've not even seen a single whole piece of content indeed, this seems like a case where it's actually up to you