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> - at the same time, desktop Linux distributions and macOS keep iterating and innovating without having that burden. Linux userland generally doesn't care a bi

> - at the same time, desktop Linux distributions and macOS keep iterating and innovating without having that burden. Linux userland generally doesn't care a bit about backwards compatibility,... Well yeah, and we still don't see Linux on every corner (android excluded). Linux desktop is a joke. You can either pick DE whick breaks compatibility every now and then (Gnome, KDE, ...) or which has more or less stopped developing (Xfce). I understand, it is nicer developing new things than maintaining and evolving old codebases, but I don't think MS needs to worry about Linux in this segment. And I'm saying that as someone who actually prefers any Linux flavor to Windows.

mschuster91 4y ago
The thing is, the Linux space at least has something nice and shiny to offer every now and then (although I'd say GTK and Gnome could go off and vanish and I wouldn't care). And it's not just UI where Linux keeps evolving. Just look at systemd - a fucking breeze to work with, whereas on macOS you're stuck working with plist's (annoying but OK), and on Windows it's literally the same crap from 30 years ago in the NT era. A Linux VM can do a cold start in well under 30 seconds, Windows needs anything from five to ten minutes and you can't optimize anything.
- psd1 4y ago
  Where do you get "five to ten minutes"? I have a win11 VM that boots from cold to login screen in 10-20 seconds. Windows services can be configured with dependency order and with delayed start. There are startup profilers. I've seen and resolved slow boot times in misconfigured domains and with features such as roaming profiles. It's probably DNS ;-)
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    > Where do you get "five to ten minutes"? I have a win11 VM that boots from cold to login screen in 10-20 seconds. Sorry, forgot to mention I'm talking about Windows servers. Desktop indeed has gone quite fast.

mschuster91 4y ago

The thing is, the Linux space at least has something nice and shiny to offer every now and then (although I'd say GTK and Gnome could go off and vanish and I wouldn't care). And it's not just UI where Linux keeps evolving. Just look at systemd - a fucking breeze to work with, whereas on macOS you're stuck working with plist's (annoying but OK), and on Windows it's literally the same crap from 30 years ago in the NT era. A Linux VM can do a cold start in well under 30 seconds, Windows needs anything from five to ten minutes and you can't optimize anything.

psd1 4y ago
Where do you get "five to ten minutes"? I have a win11 VM that boots from cold to login screen in 10-20 seconds. Windows services can be configured with dependency order and with delayed start. There are startup profilers. I've seen and resolved slow boot times in misconfigured domains and with features such as roaming profiles. It's probably DNS ;-)
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > Where do you get "five to ten minutes"? I have a win11 VM that boots from cold to login screen in 10-20 seconds. Sorry, forgot to mention I'm talking about Windows servers. Desktop indeed has gone quite fast.