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This might be a good place for a Java programmer to say thank you to the Rails community for your relentless mocking of Spring and Enterprise Java back in the d

This might be a good place for a Java programmer to say thank you to the Rails community for your relentless mocking of Spring and Enterprise Java back in the days. Java is wonderful these days, and seriously I think you guys are a one of the major reasons why Java is so great today.

wg0 4y ago
I recall when I started even with Rails pre Rails 2.0, the Spring framework was a horror show. Good luck with XML plumbing and then annotations wiring and then dependency injection container and AbstractBusinessProxyFascadSingletonFactory whereas in contrast, Rails seems light years ahead from controllers to templating to ORM.
- szundi 4y ago
  Why the downvotes?
  - wg0 4y ago
    May be the enterprise developers don't like convention over configuration[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_over_configuration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_over_configuration
  - skinkestek 4y ago
    Didn't downvote, but the constant mixing up of criticism against XML nonsense (justified) with criticism of annotations (why? Have so many people seen code bases that abuse them?) might be one reason.
ecshafer 4y ago
Spring is still awful. Play, Javalin, and other frameworks are leagues better. Even Spring boot isn't a great framework which has way too much annotation soup. Worst thing with Spring/Spring Boot is that the framework and ecosystem breaks extremely often with updates.
- skinkestek 4y ago
  I use Quarkus these days which means the IDE support and ecosystem of Java, the very simple annotation rules from JavaEE, and reload times like PHP.
- cutler 4y ago
  Agreed. Spring hasn't changed that much. It's still an annotation-fest at core and the method names don't appear to be getting any shorter.
brightball 4y ago
And honestly, with jRuby there’s no reason you can’t just jump in this pool.
- skinkestek 4y ago
  I like the Java and Kotlin languages and that I can get world class IDE support for them.
  - ajmurmann 4y ago
    RubyMine does some really great stuff to provide a great IDE for Ruby.
obiefernandez 4y ago
You’re welcome. Hehehe
- tinco 4y ago
  Haha this comment immediately made me think of you, and here you are.
  - obiefernandez 4y ago
    Hard to believe we're coming up on 20 years soon. Crazyyyy
davedx 4y ago
Yeah Ruby on Rails and its associated projects have had such a giant, positive impact on development at large.
cutler 4y ago
If Java is so great why do I still have to escape regex metacharacters even after the introduction of raw strings? It's insane to have to do this in 2023.

wg0 4y ago

I recall when I started even with Rails pre Rails 2.0, the Spring framework was a horror show. Good luck with XML plumbing and then annotations wiring and then dependency injection container and AbstractBusinessProxyFascadSingletonFactory whereas in contrast, Rails seems light years ahead from controllers to templating to ORM.

szundi 4y ago
Why the downvotes?
- wg0 4y ago
  May be the enterprise developers don't like convention over configuration[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_over_configuration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_over_configuration
- skinkestek 4y ago
  Didn't downvote, but the constant mixing up of criticism against XML nonsense (justified) with criticism of annotations (why? Have so many people seen code bases that abuse them?) might be one reason.

ecshafer 4y ago

Spring is still awful. Play, Javalin, and other frameworks are leagues better. Even Spring boot isn't a great framework which has way too much annotation soup. Worst thing with Spring/Spring Boot is that the framework and ecosystem breaks extremely often with updates.

skinkestek 4y ago
I use Quarkus these days which means the IDE support and ecosystem of Java, the very simple annotation rules from JavaEE, and reload times like PHP.
cutler 4y ago
Agreed. Spring hasn't changed that much. It's still an annotation-fest at core and the method names don't appear to be getting any shorter.

brightball 4y ago

And honestly, with jRuby there’s no reason you can’t just jump in this pool.

skinkestek 4y ago
I like the Java and Kotlin languages and that I can get world class IDE support for them.
- ajmurmann 4y ago
  RubyMine does some really great stuff to provide a great IDE for Ruby.

obiefernandez 4y ago

You’re welcome. Hehehe

tinco 4y ago
Haha this comment immediately made me think of you, and here you are.
- obiefernandez 4y ago
  Hard to believe we're coming up on 20 years soon. Crazyyyy

davedx 4y ago

Yeah Ruby on Rails and its associated projects have had such a giant, positive impact on development at large.

cutler 4y ago

If Java is so great why do I still have to escape regex metacharacters even after the introduction of raw strings? It's insane to have to do this in 2023.