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For now, this is just funny, I laughed. But with the advent of all these new open-source LLMs, it will get worse. If you thought people were gullible for falli
by frozenwind 3y ago
For now, this is just funny, I laughed. But with the advent of all these new open-source LLMs, it will get worse.
If you thought people were gullible for falling for fake comments from bots, just wait for the near future. Post-factual/Post-Truth era truly begins. The internet that used to be a source of information is no more, only islands of truth will remain (like, hopefully, Wikipedia, but even that is questionable). The rest will be a cesspool of meaningless information. Just as sailors of the sea are experts at navigating the waters, so we'll have to learn to surf the web once again.
The funniest thing for me is how stupidly lazy are these jerks that employ GPT for such things. The printed book example really made me lol.
The simplest thing they could've done is use a service like quillbot to rephrase, just as I used here to rephrase my comment:
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I chuckled. For now, this is just hilarious. However, it will grow worse when more new open-source LLMs emerge.
Just wait till the near future if you thought people were naive enough to believe counterfeit comments from bots. The post-factual/post-truth age has arrived. Only isolated truths will remain when the internet ceases to be a reliable source of knowledge (like, ideally, Wikipedia, but even that is debatable). The remaining material will be an ocean of useless data. We'll have to relearn how to navigate the web, just as seafarers are specialists at navigating the seas.
The most amusing thing to me is how exceptionally sloppy these idiots are that use GPT for such things.
- capableweb 3y ago> For now, this is just funny, I laughed. But with the advent of all these new open-source LLMs, it will get worse. If you thought people were gullible for falling for fake comments from bots, just wait for the near future. Post-factual/Post-Truth era truly begins. The internet that used to be a source of information is no more, only islands of truth will remain (like, hopefully, Wikipedia, but even that is questionable). The rest will be a cesspool of meaningless information. Just as sailors of the sea are experts at navigating the waters, so we'll have to learn to surf the web once again. I'm not sure what rock you've been living under, but this has been the internet for probably longer than a decade by now, the only difference is the volume. Even back before LLMs, or before Facebook, you couldn't take any "fact" at face value when found via the internet. And before that, the same people who fall for it now on the internet, fell for it when watching TV, or reading newspapers. People who are not interested in truth because it doesn't fit their world-view, will never be interested in the truth, no matter what medium it comes via.
- frozenwind 3y agoI am aware of that. I like to think that millenials/gen-z at least knew a little how to sift through the fake information, and the gullible people were the elders. But now with such obscene amounts of fake info at every corner, I think the internet and all source of information (even printed! - because printed at least would require significant effort) will loose credibility. Science will be the last bastion, and even that can easily be influenced by money.
- mistermann 3y ago> People who are not interested in truth because it doesn't fit their world-view, will never be interested in the truth, no matter what medium it comes via. Interestingly, this claim is self-referential.
- tough 3y agoYes, the claim is self-referential in the sense that it describes a certain attitude towards truth and how that attitude can affect one’s openness to new information. Specifically, the claim suggests that individuals who are not interested in truth because it conflicts with their existing beliefs are unlikely to change their minds even when presented with evidence or information that contradicts their views. This can create a self-reinforcing cycle where the individual becomes increasingly resistant to new ideas and perspectives.
- mistermann 3y ago> Specifically, the claim suggests that... Incorrect. The claim is: "People who are not interested in truth because it doesn't fit their world-view, will never be interested in the truth, no matter what medium it comes via." It is not a suggestion, it does not say "it is unlikely, it is an unequivocal assertion of fact. > This can create a self-reinforcing cycle where the individual becomes increasingly resistant to new ideas and perspectives. That's my point (about the thinking underlying the comment in question). It's interesting how humans self-privilege themselves when applying epistemology - other people's claims must be actually true, but for one's own claims "close enough" is typically an adequate bar. And it is typically only the other person who needs to improve their thinking.
- gpderetta 3y agoThe thing is, the internet is already a cesspool of meaningless, misleading and outright malicious information. I guess the earlier we all collectively realize it the best it is.
- coffeebeqn 3y agoExactly. The more people that realize that the internet(and other media) is filled to the brim with various kinds of BS, the better
- Uehreka 3y agoThe internet is currently quite useful, it could stand to be a lot less so. Don’t let your cynicism blind you to the fact that we do have a lot to lose.
- wetpaws 3y agoI don't see how those points are mutually exclusive tbh. Yes, internet is quite usefull. Yes, it is also a cesspool, absolutely.
- Uehreka 3y agoI’m taking issue with the characterization that we have nothing to lose, which seems to be the implication of GP and the comments agreeing with them.
- gpderetta 3y agoAt least in my case, I didn't mean to dismiss the internet and that we have nothing to lose. There is some good information there, but it is important that we do not believe everything (or even most) that we read and see.
- rchaud 3y ago> The thing is, the internet is already a cesspool of meaningless, misleading and outright malicious information. Let me just throw this trash overboard. What's the harm? It's not going to make the pacific garbage patch any bigger!
- grumbel 3y agoI am more optimistic here. While LLMs allow you to produce tons of garbage, they also provide the tools to filter through that garbage, something we didn't have before. LLMs allow us to view content in a way that we decided, not the content creator. That's extremely powerful and lets us sidesteps a lot of the old methods used to manipulate us. The risk is more in the LLMs themselves, as whoever gets to control them gets to decide how people are going to experience the world. For the time being I might still double check all the answers I get from ChatGPT, but overtime the LLMs will get better and I'll get more lazy, thus making the LLMs the primary lens through which one views the world.
- pmoriarty 3y ago> overtime the LLMs will get better and I'll get more lazy, thus making the LLMs the primary lens through which one views the world There's going to be a progressive de-skilling and dumbing down of humans, as AI's and robots do and think more and more for them.
- ChatGTP 3y agoIt’s already happening at scale, people are already deciding there’s no point to continue education unless required.
- sebzim4500 3y agoAren't people going further in education now than ever before?
- MichaelZuo 3y agoGoing further in schooling maybe, but getting degrees nowadays is usually not primarily for personal enlightenment. Nor does it usually make people any more intelligent, in fact there may be an inverse correlation...
- CuriouslyC 3y agoBachelors degrees have mostly been a signal for a long time. The problem is that we have credential inflation, so now you need a masters or phd to send that same signal to employers. As a result, you have fewer people going to college, but a greater percentage of people who go to college are getting advanced degrees.
- naveen99 3y agoThere will be self verifiable truths like provable theorems in axiomatic mathematics. There will be enforceable contracts like Elon musk’s purchase of twitter. There will be quarterly investor reports and earnings calls from public companies that avoid lying at risk of shareholder and sec lawsuits. There will be documents time stamped with hashes and bitcoin. the bots will need karma points as well.
- russian-troll 3y agoAs others stated the Web is like that for quite some time. Also I wouldn't say that Wikipedia is an island of truth, quite the opposite. But there is a countermeasure: everything has a source.
- flangola7 3y agoHow do you know the source is accurate?
- btbuildem 3y agoThe rephrased comment reads better than the original.
- frozenwind 3y agoI also like the rephrased paragraph. There's a certain flow to it, I never learned or improved my skill in that area.
- TrapLord_Rhodo 3y agoThe thing about gippie is it will never shut up, it lists in bullet point fashion, and it uses alot of filler words: like, 'however', additionally, 'currently', 'also', 'that', etc. i feel i can start to read when someone uses gippie, because i use it alot. I imagine a future where i use gippie to write an email and the receiver uses gippie to summarize and respond. There's also a future evolution of 'typo', where gippie hellucinates some non sensical answer. "Oh my bad, my bots trippin' LOL'
- censor_me 3y ago[dead]