> What happens when a banker says “you can download our app from the Google Playstore”? You say "It doesn't work on my phone." > There is no lengthy discussio

> What happens when a banker says “you can download our app from the Google Playstore”? You say "It doesn't work on my phone." > There is no lengthy discussion about what the consumer can eat or wear. They simply say “I’m vegan”, or “can I see your vegan menu?” The server is not baffled. This is not generally true. Lots of people don't _understand_ what veganism is, and there's a lot of distrust by vegans. > The next time someone tells you “download our app”, say: “I’m fossarian; is your app FOSS?” Nobody will care, and a banker is not going to know. > Restaurant menus show a green leaf next to vegetarian or vegan options. Sometimes, and it gets confusing between what is vegetarian and what is vegan, and they're not comparable. > If [vegans] choose to say “cannot”, they are effectively saying they adhere to (or are bound by) the rules of the label… the rules of being vegan. No, it gets treated as a dietary restriction more often than an ethics based rights movement. > Just as there are different kinds of vegans (e.g. “ethical vegan”, “environmental vegan”, “dietary vegan”, etc), there are fossarians of different kinds: There's not. There's no such thing as a dietary or environmental vegan. Veganism is for the animals. Those are harmful to the movement. Which is why a lot of people prefer to say "plant based." > Such a consumer contributes absolutely nothing to the exploitation of that animal, yet vegans will debate fiercely as to whether such a consumer can call themselves vegan. The only thing that’s non-controversial is to say they would not be a dietary vegan. I have seen freegan people argue this, but I would say most vegan, for the animals, vegans, would say that a person that eats dumpster steak is not vegan, because it treats animals as objects of pleasure and utility. It normalizes consumption. Animal rights means animals are not food. Despite the fact I would never use the label "fossarian" I'm sympathetic to it. I have made similar points on both free software and veganism. I think there is a link there. Namely in that they're both movements towards freedom. Also the fact that nutrition labels (in the US) do not include everything that's in a product. They get to say "natural flavors" which can be anything from plants to animals. They also do not have to say where or how their food building blocks are sourced (is something animal derived or not). There's a similarity there towards the building of some binary. Can I compile the source? Can I see the libraries that were used? Can I see the functions and what they do? It's also a problem of obfuscation.