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I like (& use) R, but to say it is "for hackers" seems strange to me -- not really a "hacker" language. Seems like a bit of a marketing strategy(/gimmick) to t

I like (& use) R, but to say it is "for hackers" seems strange to me -- not really a "hacker" language. Seems like a bit of a marketing strategy(/gimmick) to toss that word into the title. Looks like a promising book, though i'd much prefer it be in a scripting language like Python.

tikhonj 15y ago
I haven't used R, but I've heard good things about it. Why isn't it for "hackers"? If anything, it seems like a language more suited for hackers than Python for tasks involving math--it looks like it has a more integrated environment for fast iteration , particularly for generating nice plots of the data you're working with. It also seems like a language designed and optimized exactly for this sort of activity.
- plessthanpt05 15y ago
  I use R almost daily, and sure, for tasks involving math (& statistical analysis in particular) R is fantastic; however, to say "for hackers" (at least in my mind) would involve a less domain specific language -- like a scripting language (python or some such similar language) that has statistical analysis capabilities. Perhaps a matter of semantics, but in a similar vein, I imagine a book of the same title that used Octave would not be considered "for hackers" by most due to the specific/constrained functionality. Just seems like "hacker" is such a buzz word now that it gets tacked onto a lot of stuff just to generate interest.
- programnature 15y ago
  The problem with domain-specific systems like R is that, as software systems, you can't "hack" them far outside of their contraints. Integration into other systems (like the web, or robust big-data pipelines) can't be taken for granted. Doing "standard" stuff becomes nonstandard, thus hacking can hit a wall.
  - simonw 15y ago
    R is open source, and there are plenty of "bridges" to talk to it from other languages (e.g. http://rpy.sourceforge.net/ http://rpy.sourceforge.net/ )

tikhonj 15y ago

I haven't used R, but I've heard good things about it. Why isn't it for "hackers"? If anything, it seems like a language more suited for hackers than Python for tasks involving math--it looks like it has a more integrated environment for fast iteration , particularly for generating nice plots of the data you're working with. It also seems like a language designed and optimized exactly for this sort of activity.

plessthanpt05 15y ago
I use R almost daily, and sure, for tasks involving math (& statistical analysis in particular) R is fantastic; however, to say "for hackers" (at least in my mind) would involve a less domain specific language -- like a scripting language (python or some such similar language) that has statistical analysis capabilities. Perhaps a matter of semantics, but in a similar vein, I imagine a book of the same title that used Octave would not be considered "for hackers" by most due to the specific/constrained functionality. Just seems like "hacker" is such a buzz word now that it gets tacked onto a lot of stuff just to generate interest.
programnature 15y ago
The problem with domain-specific systems like R is that, as software systems, you can't "hack" them far outside of their contraints. Integration into other systems (like the web, or robust big-data pipelines) can't be taken for granted. Doing "standard" stuff becomes nonstandard, thus hacking can hit a wall.
- simonw 15y ago
  R is open source, and there are plenty of "bridges" to talk to it from other languages (e.g. http://rpy.sourceforge.net/ http://rpy.sourceforge.net/ )