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You wouldn't want to spread "this information" even if it happened to be true, and such truth might help others either navigate their grief, or recognize & head

by gojomo 4y ago

You wouldn't want to spread "this information" even if it happened to be true, and such truth might help others either navigate their grief, or recognize & head-off similar delusions in the future? FWIW, the detail about the Burning Man self-immolator sounds sketchy in a "heard it from a friend of a friend" urban-legend manner. But the idea that someone with all the other erratic behaviors & drug practices credibly-described in Hsieh's last days also had some odd & self-destructive beliefs about death is unsurprising. Such beliefs are not atypical in various mental illnesses, including those caused or aggravated by drug abuse.

kodah 4y ago
If the new facts materially affect the outcome and are indeed facts, then pointing out or corroborating the truth can be helpful. If they aren't/don't then you're just agitating.
- gojomo 4y ago
  Agreed: the dispositive factors are: "Is this true?" and "Could this truth help others?" Given the other reports of Hsieh's erratic behavior, including with regard to health practices & psychoactive drugs, & the specific manner in which he ultimately died, it's very plausible he'd developed a fascination with death & self-harm. And some people who do that also seek out others with similar fantasies, sometimes for mutual encouragement, aka, a 'death cult' or 'suicide pact'. Sad but true – and in my estimation, better to be aware of as a real possibility than reflexively deny as likely fabrication.
steve_adams_86 4y ago
I was referring to the burning man but. If I knew it was true beyond a shadow of doubt, I would share it when it was pertinent. If it was through the grapevine or pure speculation, I’d keep it to myself.
- ada1981 4y ago
  All I know to be true is what the person claimed as first-person knowledge from his personal relationship.
ada1981 4y ago
This was his exact thing. He was very against the casual use of dissociatives like ketamine and nitrous, and said it was from these visions that Tony felt he needed to burn himself.
- gojomo 4y ago
  Yep. And even without the perceptual/disassociative/hallucinogenic aspects of heavy use, daily nitrous exposure, without long periods away, apparently interferes with Vitamin B12 metabolism enough to cause nervous system damage. Eventual symptoms of such damage can include tingling, numbness, headaches, lethargy, balance problems, memory problems, confusion, anxiety, & depression. Even medical staff with daily exposure to sub-perceptual trace amounts (leaked or exhaled by patients) sometimes develop problems.

by gojomo 4y ago

kodah 4y ago

If the new facts materially affect the outcome and are indeed facts, then pointing out or corroborating the truth can be helpful. If they aren't/don't then you're just agitating.

gojomo 4y ago
Agreed: the dispositive factors are: "Is this true?" and "Could this truth help others?" Given the other reports of Hsieh's erratic behavior, including with regard to health practices & psychoactive drugs, & the specific manner in which he ultimately died, it's very plausible he'd developed a fascination with death & self-harm. And some people who do that also seek out others with similar fantasies, sometimes for mutual encouragement, aka, a 'death cult' or 'suicide pact'. Sad but true – and in my estimation, better to be aware of as a real possibility than reflexively deny as likely fabrication.

steve_adams_86 4y ago

I was referring to the burning man but. If I knew it was true beyond a shadow of doubt, I would share it when it was pertinent. If it was through the grapevine or pure speculation, I’d keep it to myself.

ada1981 4y ago
All I know to be true is what the person claimed as first-person knowledge from his personal relationship.

ada1981 4y ago

This was his exact thing. He was very against the casual use of dissociatives like ketamine and nitrous, and said it was from these visions that Tony felt he needed to burn himself.

gojomo 4y ago
Yep. And even without the perceptual/disassociative/hallucinogenic aspects of heavy use, daily nitrous exposure, without long periods away, apparently interferes with Vitamin B12 metabolism enough to cause nervous system damage. Eventual symptoms of such damage can include tingling, numbness, headaches, lethargy, balance problems, memory problems, confusion, anxiety, & depression. Even medical staff with daily exposure to sub-perceptual trace amounts (leaked or exhaled by patients) sometimes develop problems.