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> Bulgaria was cut off from Russian gas in September 2022, with most other countries still buying Russian gas for months. Why specifically Bulgaria (whose role

> Bulgaria was cut off from Russian gas in September 2022, with most other countries still buying Russian gas for months. Why specifically Bulgaria (whose role in freezing the assets was minimal) and why 6 months later? Google tells me that it was April, not September. I assume September was when the long-term contract had expired. Google also tells me that the payment scheme was finalised by Russia also in April. I also see that it wasn't "specifically Bulgaria", but also Poland, and by that time a few of other European countries had already switched to a new scheme. So no, there is nothing specific about Bulgaria. > That's what I've been saying since my first comment from this thread - EU engages in economic war, but cutting out the gas was not an EU action, it's the Russian retaliation. So let me get this straight: when you block your credit card and e.g. Spotify stops providing a service to you - is it a normal and expected business practice, or is it a sinister retaliation? EU leaders just plainly shot Europe in a foot and now try to shift responsibility on evil Russia, as it totally should have continued to pump gas for free. > Wait, you're claiming that Russia did not invade Ukraine? Well not 3 times. If you count it like that, that means you dismiss and ignore the revolution, the civil war and all the people who were not happy about the fact that some mob had stolen their country. > More like an appeaser of the imperialistic invader / aggressor. "imperialism" in this case is merely a narrative to dismiss the actual substantial causes for the war. Imperialists don't plead for peace agreements in a wake of war. > Oh right, 2013 Donetsk was the scene of a genocide while 2022 Mariupol is the face of liberation. Honestly can't fathom this doublethink. That's because you are making wrong assumptions here. First of all, it's not some childish tale of oppression and liberation and thankfully back in 2013 Ukraine was not successful, so Donetsk didn't turn into a scene of genocide in its common sense. Secondly, it's one thing to invade a country unprovoked, and it is a completely different thing to push the frontlines away from your borders and people who associate themselves with you onto the people who are gathering strength for their "final solution of Donetsk problem" all while acting like they are totally peaceful good guys (well not really, only on the higher political levels). It's just... Remember when Macron had leaked the private conversation he had with Putin just before the war, where Putin said that Zelensky isn't going to fulfil Minks agreements and is preparing for war, and Macron replied something along the lines of "have faith and patience". Remember how everyone was like "hurr-durr, stoopid Russia, we see through your bullshit"? Well now it turns out that Putin was telling the truth and Macron was full of shit in a room full of journalists. What the hell? And let's be honest, it's not 2013 Donetsk, it's 2013-2022 Donetsk. Enough time for a child to be born and grow up enough to go to school, without ever in their life knowing peace and not war - go figure which is more tragic.

_kbh_ 3y ago
> Well not 3 times. If you count it like that, that means you dismiss and ignore the revolution, the civil war and all the people who were not happy about the fact that some mob had stolen their country. I find it strange that the people in this civil war, where somehow instantly trained on complicated Russian military equipment, procured enough of this equipment to fight and then when they captured enough ground they eventually installed get this. A former Russian FSB agent as the head of the military. Thats totally what happens in a totally 'real' civil war right.
- foverzar 3y ago
  > trained on complicated Russian military equipment What complicated Russian military equipment? Hypersonic missiles? Any other equipment designed in Russian Federation that was actually used in combat even after the full-scale war had started? Or is it all old Soviet stuff, the same stuff that Ukraine uses? The country that had conscription service which implies that a substantial number of adult men in Ukraine are trained to operate this equipment? > procured enough of this equipment to fight Donetsk had military installations. Even a whole military academy, AFAIK. Though I don't doubt that Russia had started supplying DNR under the table at some point. > A former Russian FSB agent as the head of the military. Seizing an opportunity for themselves. Given the specific ideological matter along which the Ukraine had been torn, this isn't an unimaginable thing. > Thats totally what happens in a totally 'real' civil war right. Define "real"? Is the civil war in Syria real? Was the civil war that had collapsed the Russian Empire real? If it is the foreign influence that confuses you - that is actually an expected thing: In most cases the sides of the civil war gravitate to nearest opposing poles of power, with the exception for secluded places like America. It's important not to be dismissive of the fact that the root cause of all the problems is that people in Ukraine can not agree on a sustainable way to run their country and that people in Donbas have no less rights then the people who pushed for the revolution. Everything else is just bullshit that distracts everyone from what's important - the people.
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > Define "real"? Is the civil war in Syria real? Was the civil war that had collapsed the Russian Empire real? If it is the foreign influence that confuses you - that is actually an expected thing: In most cases the sides of the civil war gravitate to nearest opposing poles of power, with the exception for secluded places like America. A war that isn't started by a foreign power to try and destabilise the country is what id call a 'real' civil war, and it's clear the one in Ukraine was started by Russia. > It's important not to be dismissive of the fact that the root cause of all the problems is that people in Ukraine can not agree on a sustainable way to run their country and that people in Donbas have no less rights then the people who pushed for the revolution. Everything else is just bullshit that distracts everyone from what's important - the people. The root cause for a lot of it is Russian interference just like it is in what is it now? 4?, 5? post soviet states now.

_kbh_ 3y ago

> Well not 3 times. If you count it like that, that means you dismiss and ignore the revolution, the civil war and all the people who were not happy about the fact that some mob had stolen their country. I find it strange that the people in this civil war, where somehow instantly trained on complicated Russian military equipment, procured enough of this equipment to fight and then when they captured enough ground they eventually installed get this. A former Russian FSB agent as the head of the military. Thats totally what happens in a totally 'real' civil war right.

foverzar 3y ago
> trained on complicated Russian military equipment What complicated Russian military equipment? Hypersonic missiles? Any other equipment designed in Russian Federation that was actually used in combat even after the full-scale war had started? Or is it all old Soviet stuff, the same stuff that Ukraine uses? The country that had conscription service which implies that a substantial number of adult men in Ukraine are trained to operate this equipment? > procured enough of this equipment to fight Donetsk had military installations. Even a whole military academy, AFAIK. Though I don't doubt that Russia had started supplying DNR under the table at some point. > A former Russian FSB agent as the head of the military. Seizing an opportunity for themselves. Given the specific ideological matter along which the Ukraine had been torn, this isn't an unimaginable thing. > Thats totally what happens in a totally 'real' civil war right. Define "real"? Is the civil war in Syria real? Was the civil war that had collapsed the Russian Empire real? If it is the foreign influence that confuses you - that is actually an expected thing: In most cases the sides of the civil war gravitate to nearest opposing poles of power, with the exception for secluded places like America. It's important not to be dismissive of the fact that the root cause of all the problems is that people in Ukraine can not agree on a sustainable way to run their country and that people in Donbas have no less rights then the people who pushed for the revolution. Everything else is just bullshit that distracts everyone from what's important - the people.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > Define "real"? Is the civil war in Syria real? Was the civil war that had collapsed the Russian Empire real? If it is the foreign influence that confuses you - that is actually an expected thing: In most cases the sides of the civil war gravitate to nearest opposing poles of power, with the exception for secluded places like America. A war that isn't started by a foreign power to try and destabilise the country is what id call a 'real' civil war, and it's clear the one in Ukraine was started by Russia. > It's important not to be dismissive of the fact that the root cause of all the problems is that people in Ukraine can not agree on a sustainable way to run their country and that people in Donbas have no less rights then the people who pushed for the revolution. Everything else is just bullshit that distracts everyone from what's important - the people. The root cause for a lot of it is Russian interference just like it is in what is it now? 4?, 5? post soviet states now.