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I agree that German isn't especially useful globally, but you're wrong on a couple points: - There are several countries with German as an official language, a
by wheels 3y ago
I agree that German isn't especially useful globally, but you're wrong on a couple points:
- There are several countries with German as an official language, and a few other with German-speaking minorities. Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg and Belgium all have it as an official language (though the last few are not terribly significant). There are also around half a million native German speakers in Italy. It's also useful as approximately the root language of Germanic languages, and makes it faster to pick up e.g. Dutch and to a lesser extent the Scandinavian languages.
- All internationally minded Germans do not speak English. Large swaths of Germans speak no, or only basic travelers' English. That everyone speaks English in Germany is an illusion that English speakers experience in Germany because they largely mix with only one social class, and the non-English speakers are invisible to them.
(I'm a native English speaker and fluent German speaker who's lived in the US and Germany for equal amounts of my life. My girlfriend, for example, is not comfortable in English, nor are quite a few of my friends, particularly those that are blue collar, somewhat older, or from the east.)
- tick_tock_tick 3y ago> All internationally minded Germans do not speak English. That means they aren't internationally minded then.
- wheels 3y agoYeah, you're totally right. Angele Merkel was definitely not internationally minded. (She does not speak English well, nor did her foreign minister.) It's also a pretty terrible thing to assume that everyone who wasn't born into the upper class isn't internationally minded. Again, my girlfriend doesn't speak English well because she's from a working class family from the east, but she's been to a couple dozen countries, and manages a team of people from several countries.
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- yosito 3y agoGood point about the other German speaking countries. I don't really know why that slipped my mind. But the social class thing you mentioned is kind of my point. I think it's pretty much true in all of those German speaking countries, that if you only want to interact with service workers in cities and professional, college educated, internationally minded people, you will have plenty of people to talk to and might not ever feel a need to know German.
- wheels 3y agoAgain, Angele Merkel is a pretty convincing counterexample.
- yosito 3y agoI'll keep that in mind when I'm trying to socialize with the likes of Angele Merkel
- wheels 3y agoYeah, probably the chancellor and foreign minister were the only two from their generation that were educated, internationally minded and don't speak English.
- eru 3y agoHuh? What makes you think they don't speak English? Angela Merkel can definitely speak English.
- wheels 3y agoHer English is pretty bad. The commenter I was replying to insisted all internationally minded Germans speak excellent English. That's false for Angele Merkel and Guido Westerwelle, and it's literally impossible to find more high profile counterexamples.
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