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I don't think that's what this OP is about, and oh my god are we still debating the lockdown? You say "lockdown excuse" as if it was a clearly bad idea, which

I don't think that's what this OP is about, and oh my god are we still debating the lockdown? You say "lockdown excuse" as if it was a clearly bad idea, which it wasn't.

tinus_hn 4y ago
You say it wasn’t a bad idea, which it was, and articles like this are people trying to find an excuse why it wasn’t so bad they forced their bad idea on everyone else. And the next trick is ‘oh my god are we still debating the lockdown?’ Yeah let’s just forget about that thing where you just forced your bad ideas on everyone else. We’re not going to stop debating the lockdown, it’s getting clear and going to get ever more clear that it didn’t help and hurt a lot and made a lot of people distrustful in science, just because a few phonies twisted it to back their own little flawed lockdown theories. You can’t tread on peoples rights like this and expect them to just take it. If you had just locked down yourself and not forced your ideas on others then we could just talk about whether it was a good idea or not. Which it clearly wasn’t. But that’s not what happened. You had to force your flawed idea on others. And now they are going to keep telling you it was a flawed idea from the start, you could have known, your politicians could have known, your science figureheads could have known, but they didn’t, they are phonies spreading fake science to trick you and your politicians into their flawed lockdown ideas. And you fell for it. Here’s the clue: COVID is over because it mutated into something that is not dangerous anymore. Just like it always happens. Lockdowns delay that process so it drags on for longer. Which is totally pointless and wasteful and antisocial because the progress of the epidemic is a burden that you then put onto others that can’t afford the lockdown. Either because they are in some county that can’t afford it or because they are in your country but have to work anyway, they are in some essential industry creating your food, or they are providing your care. Do you think people in Africa could just shelter at home for a few years? And then this delay may have been useful when there was a wait for the vaccines but unfortunately it turned out they didn’t really work, they don’t prevent spread and they only work for a very short time. Too bad. And that’s the moment where there is no more benefit to lockdowns, only harm, and any real scientist should have told you that and any scientist that didn’t is a phony political fake scientist. A harmful flunky that you shouldn’t listen to. And that’s the real story and it’s going to be told whether you like it or not. And whether you paper over it with excuses or not. You took peoples rights because you were scared into believing in flunkies so badly you couldn’t think for yourself anymore. Because if you did anyone could have seen it coming.
- P_I_Staker 4y ago
  I don't know that many "real scientists" that agree with you. This has nothing to do with making "excuses" for the lockdown; you're shoehorning your politics into any COVID adjacent discussion. Your tone is absurdly condescending, for someone that's provided a ton of text, and little substance. I'm not interested in debating you. Someone just pointing out that the lockdown was good for them personally is not justifying the whole thing.
  - tinus_hn 4y ago
    I suppose it’s a matter of perspective, if you love the lockdown these pieces are just confirming your own beliefs, otherwise it’s making excuses for some pretty ridiculous policy. You are correct that these excuse pieces are not justifying the whole thing. On the contrary, the whole thing justifies ridicule. At the very least. Wave away the ‘little substance’ whatever you want. It’s not going away, it’ll be in your face for a long time and ultimately history will look at the handling of this pandemic even worse than the way we look at middle age medicine. Because we could have known better, for whatever reason we just chose not to.

I don't think that's what this OP is about, and oh my god are we still debating the lockdown? You say "lockdown excuse" as if it was a clearly bad idea, which it wasn't.

tinus_hn 4y ago

You say it wasn’t a bad idea, which it was, and articles like this are people trying to find an excuse why it wasn’t so bad they forced their bad idea on everyone else. And the next trick is ‘oh my god are we still debating the lockdown?’ Yeah let’s just forget about that thing where you just forced your bad ideas on everyone else. We’re not going to stop debating the lockdown, it’s getting clear and going to get ever more clear that it didn’t help and hurt a lot and made a lot of people distrustful in science, just because a few phonies twisted it to back their own little flawed lockdown theories. You can’t tread on peoples rights like this and expect them to just take it. If you had just locked down yourself and not forced your ideas on others then we could just talk about whether it was a good idea or not. Which it clearly wasn’t. But that’s not what happened. You had to force your flawed idea on others. And now they are going to keep telling you it was a flawed idea from the start, you could have known, your politicians could have known, your science figureheads could have known, but they didn’t, they are phonies spreading fake science to trick you and your politicians into their flawed lockdown ideas. And you fell for it. Here’s the clue: COVID is over because it mutated into something that is not dangerous anymore. Just like it always happens. Lockdowns delay that process so it drags on for longer. Which is totally pointless and wasteful and antisocial because the progress of the epidemic is a burden that you then put onto others that can’t afford the lockdown. Either because they are in some county that can’t afford it or because they are in your country but have to work anyway, they are in some essential industry creating your food, or they are providing your care. Do you think people in Africa could just shelter at home for a few years? And then this delay may have been useful when there was a wait for the vaccines but unfortunately it turned out they didn’t really work, they don’t prevent spread and they only work for a very short time. Too bad. And that’s the moment where there is no more benefit to lockdowns, only harm, and any real scientist should have told you that and any scientist that didn’t is a phony political fake scientist. A harmful flunky that you shouldn’t listen to. And that’s the real story and it’s going to be told whether you like it or not. And whether you paper over it with excuses or not. You took peoples rights because you were scared into believing in flunkies so badly you couldn’t think for yourself anymore. Because if you did anyone could have seen it coming.

P_I_Staker 4y ago
I don't know that many "real scientists" that agree with you. This has nothing to do with making "excuses" for the lockdown; you're shoehorning your politics into any COVID adjacent discussion. Your tone is absurdly condescending, for someone that's provided a ton of text, and little substance. I'm not interested in debating you. Someone just pointing out that the lockdown was good for them personally is not justifying the whole thing.
- tinus_hn 4y ago
  I suppose it’s a matter of perspective, if you love the lockdown these pieces are just confirming your own beliefs, otherwise it’s making excuses for some pretty ridiculous policy. You are correct that these excuse pieces are not justifying the whole thing. On the contrary, the whole thing justifies ridicule. At the very least. Wave away the ‘little substance’ whatever you want. It’s not going away, it’ll be in your face for a long time and ultimately history will look at the handling of this pandemic even worse than the way we look at middle age medicine. Because we could have known better, for whatever reason we just chose not to.