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> Am I the only one who thinks this? No, go read posts in r/conservative about ChatGPT. They’re convinced it has a liberal bias. Pretty soon we will have chatb

> Am I the only one who thinks this? No, go read posts in r/conservative about ChatGPT. They’re convinced it has a liberal bias. Pretty soon we will have chatbots that reinforce whatever worldview you want to subscribe to.

tus666 4y ago
Sorry I really did not explain this well. I don't mean the people who make and officially train ChatGPT. I mean people who can adjust it's answers by engaging in debate with it. It does have a liberal bias by default, but you can easily get it to admit it's wrong on almost everything by pointing out correct facts that contradict liberal arguments. This feeds into answers it gives to other people.
- leafstrat 4y ago
  > This feeds into answers it gives to other people. According to who?
  - tus666 4y ago
    Open.AI and ChatGPT itself. Ask it. The conversations ChatGPT feed back into the model, it's one of the ways they improve it. In particular, if you can get it to admit it's wrong on something, and it verifies that internally, it won't make the same mistake again. It's self-correcting in that way.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      Can you cite something that doesn't have a disclaimer reading "May occasionally generate incorrect information" on this? It's news to me.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  > you can easily get it to admit it's wrong on almost everything by pointing out correct facts that contradict liberal arguments You can get it to admit pigs fly for whatever that's worth. It's a prompt answering machine, not a truth-seeker. It's "liberal bias" could be chalked up to the majority of freely-licensed online content having a liberal bias. It's present in all of these models, even the unfiltered ones. Perhaps the conservative powers-that-be will band together and make a new, equally stupid and biased model to compete with the current stupid and biased models. Elon Musk has played with the idea recently, is he the Atlas Shrugged savior you're looking for? > people who can adjust it's answers by engaging in debate with it This does not happen.
  - tus666 4y ago
    > You can get it to admit pigs fly for whatever that's worth Have you used ChatGPT? I think you a greatly underestimating it. It really is a truth seeker, you just need to provide it facts it can correlate against actual historical record. It's quite impressive.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      > Have you used ChatGPT? As a matter of fact, I have. Let me read you one of the first things listed directly after you log in: > May occasionally generate incorrect information They admit it. They know, they don't accept 'bug reports' of incorrect responses because the system is working as-intended. > it can correlate against actual historical record. It correlates against it's training data. Part of that is truth and history, part of it is excerpts from Tolkien and Twilight fanfiction.
leafstrat 4y ago
They're right. > These eight tests were repeated ten times each and revealed that ChatGPT seems to hold a bias towards progressive views. The political compass test revealed a bias towards progressive and libertarian views, with the average coordinates on the political compass being (-6.48, -5.99) (with (0, 0) the center of the compass, i.e., centrism and the axes ranging from -10 to 10) https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.07333 https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.07333

tus666 4y ago

Sorry I really did not explain this well. I don't mean the people who make and officially train ChatGPT. I mean people who can adjust it's answers by engaging in debate with it. It does have a liberal bias by default, but you can easily get it to admit it's wrong on almost everything by pointing out correct facts that contradict liberal arguments. This feeds into answers it gives to other people.

leafstrat 4y ago
> This feeds into answers it gives to other people. According to who?
- tus666 4y ago
  Open.AI and ChatGPT itself. Ask it. The conversations ChatGPT feed back into the model, it's one of the ways they improve it. In particular, if you can get it to admit it's wrong on something, and it verifies that internally, it won't make the same mistake again. It's self-correcting in that way.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    Can you cite something that doesn't have a disclaimer reading "May occasionally generate incorrect information" on this? It's news to me.
smoldesu 4y ago
> you can easily get it to admit it's wrong on almost everything by pointing out correct facts that contradict liberal arguments You can get it to admit pigs fly for whatever that's worth. It's a prompt answering machine, not a truth-seeker. It's "liberal bias" could be chalked up to the majority of freely-licensed online content having a liberal bias. It's present in all of these models, even the unfiltered ones. Perhaps the conservative powers-that-be will band together and make a new, equally stupid and biased model to compete with the current stupid and biased models. Elon Musk has played with the idea recently, is he the Atlas Shrugged savior you're looking for? > people who can adjust it's answers by engaging in debate with it This does not happen.
- tus666 4y ago
  > You can get it to admit pigs fly for whatever that's worth Have you used ChatGPT? I think you a greatly underestimating it. It really is a truth seeker, you just need to provide it facts it can correlate against actual historical record. It's quite impressive.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    > Have you used ChatGPT? As a matter of fact, I have. Let me read you one of the first things listed directly after you log in: > May occasionally generate incorrect information They admit it. They know, they don't accept 'bug reports' of incorrect responses because the system is working as-intended. > it can correlate against actual historical record. It correlates against it's training data. Part of that is truth and history, part of it is excerpts from Tolkien and Twilight fanfiction.

leafstrat 4y ago

They're right. > These eight tests were repeated ten times each and revealed that ChatGPT seems to hold a bias towards progressive views. The political compass test revealed a bias towards progressive and libertarian views, with the average coordinates on the political compass being (-6.48, -5.99) (with (0, 0) the center of the compass, i.e., centrism and the axes ranging from -10 to 10) https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.07333 https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.07333