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Not everyone is doing a job that requires lab work. There are a lot of jobs out there which you can learn to do entirely through Youtube and your own personal p

by rcarr 3y ago

Not everyone is doing a job that requires lab work. There are a lot of jobs out there which you can learn to do entirely through Youtube and your own personal projects.

wolverine876 3y ago
Still just empty claims - just like the YouTube videos make. To me, if I'm your interviewer, it looks like you've internalized the fundamental anti-lesson. You can't distinguish BS from accurate knowledge, and you don't even understand that. The BS may get you by on HN but not in a serious workplace. I'm not paying you tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for that. Every other objection still applies - including all the other benefits of college education. What about those issues? Again, why should I trust you and your YouTube training. Also, which jobs?
- rcarr 3y ago
  There are literally full courses for AWS DevOps qualifications, Network Administration and the like, with hundreds of comments underneath them saying, “thanks, I passed my AWS cert today because of this course”, “thanks, I got a job because of this course”, “thanks, I got a promotion because of this course”. Here is but one example of many: https://youtu.be/SOTamWNgDKc https://youtu.be/SOTamWNgDKc There are thousands of interviews with people who have taught themselves how to set up businesses, or code websites, taught themselves music, video production or any number of things through YouTube. > Again, why should I trust you and your YouTube training. Because if the person can demonstrate that they can do the job, then they can do the job. Believe it or not, this was how the world used to operate for thousands of years. The whole piece of paper and a university campus thing is a only a very recent development. People got by on experience, competence and reputation. For whatever reason, you can’t seem to accept that whilst there is a lot of bullshit on the internet, there is also a lot of quality, helpful and informative content.
  - midoridensha 3y ago
    >Because if the person can demonstrate that they can do the job, then they can do the job. This is exactly right, but "I watched some YT videos" is not equivalent to demonstrating ability, which I think is the OP's point. If you can learn something from watching videos, and then prove that you've mastered it by actually demonstrating your skill, then great! But if your resume just says "I watched some videos and have zero professional experience", that doesn't count for anything.
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      Also, a demonstration isn't worth that much, though better than nothing. There's only so much you can learn in an interview 'demonstration', and I can't afford to give everyone six months or a year to demonstrate what they really can do. What the YouTube videos demonstrate to me is a lack of effort and committment to find the very best sources and learn the best material; obviously to me, computer science theory and a real professor would be better (skill training is good after you have that, though I'm greatly simplifying here). If that's how they approach their skill-aquisition project, that's evidence of how they'll approach projects at my business. If they follow the herd on that, it's evidence that they will follow the herd otherwise. I know which way the herd is running. It's not only the wrong way (there's no correlation between herd direction and the 'right' direction - in fact, I'd say there's an inverse correlation because the herd is driven by other things), it's to my competitive advantage to go another way. I want people whose standard is the very best and who think for themselves. And in addition, the social media culture from which the YouTube training trend arises, is highly reactionary, which is crushing to creative, enthusiastic, independent thought.

by rcarr 3y ago

Not everyone is doing a job that requires lab work. There are a lot of jobs out there which you can learn to do entirely through Youtube and your own personal projects.

wolverine876 3y ago

Still just empty claims - just like the YouTube videos make. To me, if I'm your interviewer, it looks like you've internalized the fundamental anti-lesson. You can't distinguish BS from accurate knowledge, and you don't even understand that. The BS may get you by on HN but not in a serious workplace. I'm not paying you tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for that. Every other objection still applies - including all the other benefits of college education. What about those issues? Again, why should I trust you and your YouTube training. Also, which jobs?

rcarr 3y ago
There are literally full courses for AWS DevOps qualifications, Network Administration and the like, with hundreds of comments underneath them saying, “thanks, I passed my AWS cert today because of this course”, “thanks, I got a job because of this course”, “thanks, I got a promotion because of this course”. Here is but one example of many: https://youtu.be/SOTamWNgDKc https://youtu.be/SOTamWNgDKc There are thousands of interviews with people who have taught themselves how to set up businesses, or code websites, taught themselves music, video production or any number of things through YouTube. > Again, why should I trust you and your YouTube training. Because if the person can demonstrate that they can do the job, then they can do the job. Believe it or not, this was how the world used to operate for thousands of years. The whole piece of paper and a university campus thing is a only a very recent development. People got by on experience, competence and reputation. For whatever reason, you can’t seem to accept that whilst there is a lot of bullshit on the internet, there is also a lot of quality, helpful and informative content.
- midoridensha 3y ago
  >Because if the person can demonstrate that they can do the job, then they can do the job. This is exactly right, but "I watched some YT videos" is not equivalent to demonstrating ability, which I think is the OP's point. If you can learn something from watching videos, and then prove that you've mastered it by actually demonstrating your skill, then great! But if your resume just says "I watched some videos and have zero professional experience", that doesn't count for anything.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    Also, a demonstration isn't worth that much, though better than nothing. There's only so much you can learn in an interview 'demonstration', and I can't afford to give everyone six months or a year to demonstrate what they really can do. What the YouTube videos demonstrate to me is a lack of effort and committment to find the very best sources and learn the best material; obviously to me, computer science theory and a real professor would be better (skill training is good after you have that, though I'm greatly simplifying here). If that's how they approach their skill-aquisition project, that's evidence of how they'll approach projects at my business. If they follow the herd on that, it's evidence that they will follow the herd otherwise. I know which way the herd is running. It's not only the wrong way (there's no correlation between herd direction and the 'right' direction - in fact, I'd say there's an inverse correlation because the herd is driven by other things), it's to my competitive advantage to go another way. I want people whose standard is the very best and who think for themselves. And in addition, the social media culture from which the YouTube training trend arises, is highly reactionary, which is crushing to creative, enthusiastic, independent thought.