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If you did that you might feel bad and be dehydrated the next day but you won't be suffering from psychosis or have permanent brain damage. That's the problem

If you did that you might feel bad and be dehydrated the next day but you won't be suffering from psychosis or have permanent brain damage. That's the problem with drugs. They're just not safe in the same way. No matter how hard the addicts cope.

nobody9999 3y ago
>That's the problem with drugs. They're just not safe in the same way. No matter how hard the addicts cope. They're not safe because they're illegal and, as such, society can't impose quality/dosage controls. That said, not everyone should use various drugs. And that generally varies by individual. Humans have been documented (through archaeological finds) to have been using mind altering substances for 10,000 years. And likely, much, much longer. And we're (that's a general 'we') not going to stop. The solutions of course, are quality controls, ingredient disclosure/purity and quality information about such substances being broadly available. But that's never going to happen as long as we encourage a black market for those substances. We've been going about all this (which is nothing new) ass-backwards, IMHO
rblatz 3y ago
A fifth is enough to kill a person if they drank it fairly quickly. Also I’ve never heard of someone addicted to psychedelics. I’m starting to think you may not know what you are talking about and are just being judgmental.
eurasiantiger 3y ago
Alcohol is more likely to cause psychosis than any drugs.
- tim333 3y ago
  From my experience of people I know who've drank alcohol and who've used psychedelics, I'd say no, not at all. The psychedelics are probably >1000x more likely to cause psychosis.
  - eurasiantiger 3y ago
    Anything happening under the influence is not classified as a psychosis, mind you.
    - tim333 3y ago
      NHS has >Psychosis is when people lose some contact with reality. This might involve seeing or hearing things that other people cannot see or hear (hallucinations) and believing things that are not actually true (delusions). Much more of that with LSD than beer
      - klyrs 3y ago
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459134/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459134/ > Psychosis associated with alcohol can occur with acute intoxication, alcohol withdrawal, as well as in patients with chronic alcohol use disorder. The specific diagnosis of alcohol-related psychosis is also known as alcohol hallucinosis. It is a relatively rare consequence of alcohol use. However, it may be more prevalent than classically thought depending on the inclusion criteria used for diagnosis. In alcohol-related psychosis, symptoms of psychosis present during or shortly after heavy alcohol intake. Clinically, alcohol-related psychosis is similar to schizophrenia but has been found to be a unique and independent condition. It is characterized by hallucinations, paranoia, and fear. ... > A 2015 Dutch literature review on alcohol-related psychotic disorder found that there is a 0.4% lifetime prevalence in the general population and a 4% prevalence in patients with alcohol dependence.
    - DanBC 3y ago
      "Substance induced psychosis": https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8732862/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8732862/
      - eurasiantiger 3y ago
        ”although the possible association with psychotic symptomatology seems clear, the scientific community is far from being able to provide conclusive evidence on this topic” You need to read the actual text and not just the title.

nobody9999 3y ago

>That's the problem with drugs. They're just not safe in the same way. No matter how hard the addicts cope. They're not safe because they're illegal and, as such, society can't impose quality/dosage controls. That said, not everyone should use various drugs. And that generally varies by individual. Humans have been documented (through archaeological finds) to have been using mind altering substances for 10,000 years. And likely, much, much longer. And we're (that's a general 'we') not going to stop. The solutions of course, are quality controls, ingredient disclosure/purity and quality information about such substances being broadly available. But that's never going to happen as long as we encourage a black market for those substances. We've been going about all this (which is nothing new) ass-backwards, IMHO

rblatz 3y ago

A fifth is enough to kill a person if they drank it fairly quickly. Also I’ve never heard of someone addicted to psychedelics. I’m starting to think you may not know what you are talking about and are just being judgmental.

eurasiantiger 3y ago

Alcohol is more likely to cause psychosis than any drugs.

tim333 3y ago
From my experience of people I know who've drank alcohol and who've used psychedelics, I'd say no, not at all. The psychedelics are probably >1000x more likely to cause psychosis.
- eurasiantiger 3y ago
  Anything happening under the influence is not classified as a psychosis, mind you.
  - tim333 3y ago
    NHS has >Psychosis is when people lose some contact with reality. This might involve seeing or hearing things that other people cannot see or hear (hallucinations) and believing things that are not actually true (delusions). Much more of that with LSD than beer
    - klyrs 3y ago
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459134/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459134/ > Psychosis associated with alcohol can occur with acute intoxication, alcohol withdrawal, as well as in patients with chronic alcohol use disorder. The specific diagnosis of alcohol-related psychosis is also known as alcohol hallucinosis. It is a relatively rare consequence of alcohol use. However, it may be more prevalent than classically thought depending on the inclusion criteria used for diagnosis. In alcohol-related psychosis, symptoms of psychosis present during or shortly after heavy alcohol intake. Clinically, alcohol-related psychosis is similar to schizophrenia but has been found to be a unique and independent condition. It is characterized by hallucinations, paranoia, and fear. ... > A 2015 Dutch literature review on alcohol-related psychotic disorder found that there is a 0.4% lifetime prevalence in the general population and a 4% prevalence in patients with alcohol dependence.
  - DanBC 3y ago
    "Substance induced psychosis": https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8732862/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8732862/
    - eurasiantiger 3y ago
      ”although the possible association with psychotic symptomatology seems clear, the scientific community is far from being able to provide conclusive evidence on this topic” You need to read the actual text and not just the title.