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> Too bad. You shouldn't. Or maybe you should, but most people shouldn't. Where are you supposed to keep them? iOS devices don't even give you direct access to

• hparadiz 4y ago
  The people who want locked down phones aren't even rational at this point. They aren't more secure. They just want to "feel" like they are more secure even when they aren't. They just wanna be coddled into a false sense of security. It's just constant pointless circular arguments. No amount of reassurance or claims of proof will help them out of the Stockholm syndrome. For example I've never encountered someone personally or professionally that has ever had their android phone hacked. But if you talk to an iPhone fan you'd think that you'd get hacked within 5 minutes. It would be funny if it wasn't actually just sad.
• coldtea 4y ago
  >Where are you supposed to keep them? iOS devices don't even give you direct access to the file system, and they tend to have a lot less storage space than desktops. Not to mention, it's a lot easier to do actual work on your desktop, with a large screen, keyboard, and mouse/trackpad. What do you think people use Macs for, gaming? ;-) Not having an ideal place to keep them is true, and that the desktop is more convenient for many classes of work is also true. But they don't change the point I'm making. The point is that keeping sensitive data on the average person's computer, on the state that those are (loaded with all kinds of crap programs, clicking on whatever shady links, frequently duped for the most BS malware and spyware, and so on), is a bad idea. Most average Joes, would be safer to keep, say their CC info, on a locked down phone than on their laptop. >This is a very weird statement. Desktops have more backup options than a locked down iPhone. Not so weird considering that for phones an internet backup comes as a one-click built-in operation on by default for many things, whereas for computers those options all require user activity, third party peripherals or accounts, and so on. Most people don't have a backup of their desktop/laptop. So this is again not what about is the ultimate possibilities, but what is the norm.
  • lapcat 4y ago
    > The point is that keeping sensitive data on the average person's computer, on the state that those are (loaded with all kinds of crap programs, clicking on whatever shady links, frequently duped for the most BS malware and spyware, and so on), is a bad idea. This is fearmongering exaggeration. In any case, no, the point you made, which I responded to, was "The desktop has the luxury to afford not being as secure as your phone". But it doesn't have such a supposedly luxury, because a lot of people in fact do what you claim (absurdly) they shouldn't: store sensitive information on their desktop. > Not so weird considering that for phones an internet backup comes as a one-click built-in operation on by default for many things, whereas for computers those options all require user activity, third party peripherals or accounts, and so on. For better or worse, Apple pushes iCloud by default on Mac just as much as on iPhone, so there's no difference.
    • coldtea 4y ago
      >This is fearmongering exaggeration. And this is where we disagree. Ask anyone working on desktop computer support, and you'll be surprised. >In any case, no, the point you made, which I responded to, was "The desktop has the luxury to afford not being as secure as your phone". That's an additional point I've made. You know, comments can have more than one. And I also stand by that comment: the phone is more tied to one's identity, often used as proof of identity for many services, and has access to more sensitive data and function than the desktop (from personal pictures, to a person's every voice conversation - which a compromised phone can eavesdrop-, and their every movement, plus, nowadays the best part of their social media use and chats). Heck, the phone, via PIN and the like, is also used to verify a user on the desktop, for increasingly more services.