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I am aware of "probiv" where on Runet forums people advertise services where they basically pay people who work at phone companies or government agencies for da

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I am aware of "probiv" where on Runet forums people advertise services where they basically pay people who work at phone companies or government agencies for data on people. This is mostly an ex USSR thing from what I can tell. I don't know how they got the records from Sudan/CAR though but I assume it's through some combination of bribery and their backers.

postsantum 3y ago
https://www.mintpressnews.com/bellingcat-intelligence-agencies-launders-talking-points-media/276603/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/bellingcat-intelligence-agenci...
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  Just so you know mintpressnews is a website that publishes disinformation and leans heavily into conspiracy theories and regularly publishes pro Russian propaganda. I wouldn’t use it as a source of anything that the Russians would want to discredit (such as bellingcat). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MintPress_News https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MintPress_News
  - postsantum 3y ago
    I do believe that over the last year words "disinformation" and "propaganda" lost 90% of meaning and turned into generic insults. Do you think this wiki article is written in a neutral manner?
    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      > I do believe that over the last year words "disinformation" and "propaganda" lost 90% of meaning and turned into generic insults. That’s because we are seeing a lot more disinformation and propaganda in the past year, it’s a major part of Russias strategy to destabilise the west. Their website literally publishes anti western pro authoritarian propaganda. But if you want to just believe anything the Russian and other authoritarian regimes say go head. > Do you think this wiki article is written in a neutral manner? Yes.
      - postsantum 3y ago
        >it’s a major part of Russias strategy to destabilise the west Do you think so even after the "Trump-Russia" fiasco and Twitter Files? >But if you want to just believe anything the Russian and other authoritarian regimes say go head. Trying not to engage in binary thinking
        _kbh_ 3y ago
        > Do you think so even after the "Trump-Russia" fiasco and Twitter Files? No I think so after the very obvious Russian propaganda that is being pushed all over the internet. There was even a notable uptick of Russian propaganda being pushed here after the war started. > Trying not to engage in binary thinking You haven't really addressed any of my points but thats okay, ill add some more for you, why do so many writers for MintPress Media have a history with working for Russias stated backed propaganda media arm RT?.
        postsantum 3y ago
        Bellingcat hiring actual spooks -> nothing to see, move along MintPress hiring ex-RT -> it's propaganda arm On a serious note, I fail to see how RT is considered state-propaganda, but BBC is not
        _kbh_ 3y ago
        > On a serious note, I fail to see how RT is considered state-propaganda, but BBC is not I have yet to see a single article on RT saying that maybe the war in Ukraine isn't a good thing and Russia should leave. > MintPress hiring ex-RT -> it's propaganda arm RT just serves as an extension for the Russian intelligence services as a propaganda arm, so if you have a problem with ex spooks working at bellingcat you should have a problem with ex-RT working at MintPress.
        postsantum 3y ago
        The original question was about how various "investigative bodies" get their information. My problem with them is that they are marketing themselves as private citizens using widely available data while it's often not true. RT is transparent about its funding and sources at least Bellingcat's investigation on Navalny's poisoning was entertaining as hell and I enjoyed it a lot, and I am not accusing them on lying in their reports. However they funded by National Endowment for Democracy which is CIA in disguise https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/20/reuters-bbc-uk-foreign-office-russian-media/ https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/20/reuters-bbc-uk-foreign-of...

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postsantum 3y ago

https://www.mintpressnews.com/bellingcat-intelligence-agencies-launders-talking-points-media/276603/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/bellingcat-intelligence-agenci...

_kbh_ 3y ago
Just so you know mintpressnews is a website that publishes disinformation and leans heavily into conspiracy theories and regularly publishes pro Russian propaganda. I wouldn’t use it as a source of anything that the Russians would want to discredit (such as bellingcat). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MintPress_News https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MintPress_News
- postsantum 3y ago
  I do believe that over the last year words "disinformation" and "propaganda" lost 90% of meaning and turned into generic insults. Do you think this wiki article is written in a neutral manner?
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > I do believe that over the last year words "disinformation" and "propaganda" lost 90% of meaning and turned into generic insults. That’s because we are seeing a lot more disinformation and propaganda in the past year, it’s a major part of Russias strategy to destabilise the west. Their website literally publishes anti western pro authoritarian propaganda. But if you want to just believe anything the Russian and other authoritarian regimes say go head. > Do you think this wiki article is written in a neutral manner? Yes.
    - postsantum 3y ago
      >it’s a major part of Russias strategy to destabilise the west Do you think so even after the "Trump-Russia" fiasco and Twitter Files? >But if you want to just believe anything the Russian and other authoritarian regimes say go head. Trying not to engage in binary thinking
      - _kbh_ 3y ago
        > Do you think so even after the "Trump-Russia" fiasco and Twitter Files? No I think so after the very obvious Russian propaganda that is being pushed all over the internet. There was even a notable uptick of Russian propaganda being pushed here after the war started. > Trying not to engage in binary thinking You haven't really addressed any of my points but thats okay, ill add some more for you, why do so many writers for MintPress Media have a history with working for Russias stated backed propaganda media arm RT?.
        postsantum 3y ago
        Bellingcat hiring actual spooks -> nothing to see, move along MintPress hiring ex-RT -> it's propaganda arm On a serious note, I fail to see how RT is considered state-propaganda, but BBC is not
        _kbh_ 3y ago
        > On a serious note, I fail to see how RT is considered state-propaganda, but BBC is not I have yet to see a single article on RT saying that maybe the war in Ukraine isn't a good thing and Russia should leave. > MintPress hiring ex-RT -> it's propaganda arm RT just serves as an extension for the Russian intelligence services as a propaganda arm, so if you have a problem with ex spooks working at bellingcat you should have a problem with ex-RT working at MintPress.
        postsantum 3y ago
        The original question was about how various "investigative bodies" get their information. My problem with them is that they are marketing themselves as private citizens using widely available data while it's often not true. RT is transparent about its funding and sources at least Bellingcat's investigation on Navalny's poisoning was entertaining as hell and I enjoyed it a lot, and I am not accusing them on lying in their reports. However they funded by National Endowment for Democracy which is CIA in disguise https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/20/reuters-bbc-uk-foreign-office-russian-media/ https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/20/reuters-bbc-uk-foreign-of...