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Stability never had any revenue, nor any easy ways to measure their user base. Their 'growth' is basically dependant on them being able to release open source m

Stability never had any revenue, nor any easy ways to measure their user base. Their 'growth' is basically dependant on them being able to release open source models that get so popular, unbeatable ecosystems get formed around them. On this front. SD1.4/1.5 is extremely successful, but there has been no followup. SD2.0 was a total disaster that shocked the community, SD2.1 is still no better than SD1.5. StableLM currently is still a joke in performance. Like, they don't seem to even test their models before releasing them. Compare their releases, to the polished and immediately dominant releases from OpenAI, and you have to question their researching chops. Did they only succeed with SD1.4 because of collaboration with other companies?

capableweb 3y ago
> Stability never had any revenue, nor any easy ways to measure their user base They do, for the products they have/will have. Right now, I think it's only DreamStudio, but like any SaaS product, they can and surely do measure the amount of users, and trivial for them to see the revenue. What you're talking about, the models they help release, are not products themselves, more like research output they give away for free. Probably in order to drive users to their paid products.
- anonylizard 3y ago
  Dreamstudio is a joke, not intended to be a serious product, but merely for someone to try out SD in under a minute. 99.9% of SD usage happens outside of Dreamstudio. The power of SD comes from using fine-tuned models, and dreamstudio doesn't allow that (For copyright reasons presumably). There are websites like happyaccidents that do allow using fine-tunes, because they are willing to shoulder the massive legal risk as smaller startups. SD's primary business model was always intended to sign up corporate clients in a semi-LLM-consulting/support role for their open sourced models. Like Redhat in a way. And to succeed in that space, you need massive name recognition.
  - capableweb 3y ago
    As someone who develops software using Stable Diffusion and gets sold for money, I'm well aware how simple Dreamstudio is. No professional would use it. Doesn't mean they are not developing it to be a real product, that they'll try to get people to buy for real money.
    - emadm 3y ago
      The strategy was not DreamStudio but variant open models for private data. We will be open sourcing DreamStudio shortly having refactored it.
      - capableweb 3y ago
        That's exciting to hear! I wish you all the best with the release, the community will surely appreciate it. Thanks for the work you do with Stability AI, there are quite a few of us that really appreciate it, no matter of these hit-pieces :)
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > Right now, I think it’s only DreamStudio Clipdrop, also, at least.
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emadm 3y ago
Stability AI is 18 months old so far and has spent 100x less than OpenAI which was founded in 2015. I think it unreasonable to compare at this stage, we are still early as a company and organisation. We have revenue (to be announced) but release models differently as we are not proprietary. The numbers in that deck were as reported on models developed by team members (we chose not to assert IP rights) in use by various applications. We were exploring co-creation full stack at that point, now we are focusing on base open models with commercially licensed variants.
- mountainriver 3y ago
  That’s a fair point, and what Stability has given the ecosystem has been amazing, I’m rooting for them as they are one of the only orgs left that is still committed to open source
tivert 3y ago
> SD2.0 was a total disaster that shocked the community Do you have any more details on this?

capableweb 3y ago

> Stability never had any revenue, nor any easy ways to measure their user base They do, for the products they have/will have. Right now, I think it's only DreamStudio, but like any SaaS product, they can and surely do measure the amount of users, and trivial for them to see the revenue. What you're talking about, the models they help release, are not products themselves, more like research output they give away for free. Probably in order to drive users to their paid products.

anonylizard 3y ago
Dreamstudio is a joke, not intended to be a serious product, but merely for someone to try out SD in under a minute. 99.9% of SD usage happens outside of Dreamstudio. The power of SD comes from using fine-tuned models, and dreamstudio doesn't allow that (For copyright reasons presumably). There are websites like happyaccidents that do allow using fine-tunes, because they are willing to shoulder the massive legal risk as smaller startups. SD's primary business model was always intended to sign up corporate clients in a semi-LLM-consulting/support role for their open sourced models. Like Redhat in a way. And to succeed in that space, you need massive name recognition.
- capableweb 3y ago
  As someone who develops software using Stable Diffusion and gets sold for money, I'm well aware how simple Dreamstudio is. No professional would use it. Doesn't mean they are not developing it to be a real product, that they'll try to get people to buy for real money.
  - emadm 3y ago
    The strategy was not DreamStudio but variant open models for private data. We will be open sourcing DreamStudio shortly having refactored it.
    - capableweb 3y ago
      That's exciting to hear! I wish you all the best with the release, the community will surely appreciate it. Thanks for the work you do with Stability AI, there are quite a few of us that really appreciate it, no matter of these hit-pieces :)
dragonwriter 3y ago
> Right now, I think it’s only DreamStudio Clipdrop, also, at least.

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emadm 3y ago

Stability AI is 18 months old so far and has spent 100x less than OpenAI which was founded in 2015. I think it unreasonable to compare at this stage, we are still early as a company and organisation. We have revenue (to be announced) but release models differently as we are not proprietary. The numbers in that deck were as reported on models developed by team members (we chose not to assert IP rights) in use by various applications. We were exploring co-creation full stack at that point, now we are focusing on base open models with commercially licensed variants.

mountainriver 3y ago
That’s a fair point, and what Stability has given the ecosystem has been amazing, I’m rooting for them as they are one of the only orgs left that is still committed to open source

tivert 3y ago

> SD2.0 was a total disaster that shocked the community Do you have any more details on this?