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Here, we're talking about tools that can format shift Minecraft binaries to the web. The repos themselves contain no Minecraft code, I believe. There are obvi

by mlyle 4y ago

Here, we're talking about tools that can format shift Minecraft binaries to the web. The repos themselves contain no Minecraft code, I believe. There are obvious IPR concerns (EULA, derivative work, etc), but it's not a "pirated version" in the conventional sense.

charcircuit 4y ago
I just checked one of the bundles and I found copyrighted textures, audio, and game code.
- mlyle 4y ago
  I am looking at the eaglerarchive--eaglercraftx-1.8.bundle and I see no such thing. I see various patch files with the context redacted. The only thing that I see is "texturey" are various MineCraft character skins, which are not original Alex/Steve but closely related to them. Can you point to what you're seeing?
  - charcircuit 4y ago
    In ekoerp1/eaglercraft-1.15-Final-Release The lwjgl-rundir/ folder contains the default minecraft assets. javascript/classes.js contains a lot of symbols from a decompiled version of the game. sp-server/src/main/ contains many decompiled classes. The classes.js file has a lot more than what is here If you start up a local server you can load html files in the repo and it will load the game right up.
    - mlyle 4y ago
      It looks like you're correct-- the last two bundles are in the "built" state and thus contain the minecraft code. The other bundles that I pointed to do not contain any assets or code from what I can tell (other than the skins mentioned above).
      - charcircuit 4y ago
        The first one does too. I also found a full minecraft.jar in the 3rd one. The eaglerarchive/eaglercraftx-1.8 repo does not seem to be violating copyright and it is still on github. The DMCA mentions taking down repos named "eaglercraft-beta". If you search for a mirror of this on google you will see the repo contains copyrighted material.
- melony 4y ago
  They are going after it because it directly competes with Microsoft through piracy. Mojang provides (unofficially) Minecraft source code class maps for decompiled code through the Mod Coder Pack which is maintained by one of their staff. This is the foundation (client+server) modding frameworks like Minecraft Forge and Fabric are built on. Decompilation tools already exist and the Minecraft source code is an open secret. Their line in the sand is piracy at scale. https://docs.minecraftforge.net/en/1.19.2/gettingstarted/#migration-to-mojangs-official-mappings https://docs.minecraftforge.net/en/1.19.2/gettingstarted/#mi...
iudqnolq 4y ago
The DMCA bans that too. > (2) No person shall ... provide any technology ... that... > (A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; > (B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or > (C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201- https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201-
- mlyle 4y ago
  > The DMCA bans that too. This is erroneous on multiple levels. 1. The DMCA takedown provision doesn't apply to circumvention devices: only direct infringements of copyrighted works. 2. Notice the "primary designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing..." "has only limited ..." etc. Format shifting Minecraft to the web has value beyond whatever authentication mechanisms are lost.
  - iudqnolq 4y ago
    > The DMCA takedown provision doesn't apply If you mean the notice-and-takedown system in Section 512 of the DMCA you're correct, that isn't the relevant section of the DMCA. But if this software is an anti-circumvention technology than it's illegal for GitHub to host it under a different section (see my citation you replied to). So GitHub accepts other kinds of takedown requests, including anti-circumvention takedowns, and acts on them if it determines that would be appropriate [1]. > Format shifting Minecraft to the web has value beyond whatever authentication mechanisms are lost. I don't know enough to predict how a court would rule on that. But I'm pretty sure the necessary analysis is much much more complicated. [1] https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/content-removal-policies/dmca-takedown-policy#c-what-about-circumvention-claims https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/content-removal-polic... (added in edit)
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by mlyle 4y ago

charcircuit 4y ago

I just checked one of the bundles and I found copyrighted textures, audio, and game code.

mlyle 4y ago
I am looking at the eaglerarchive--eaglercraftx-1.8.bundle and I see no such thing. I see various patch files with the context redacted. The only thing that I see is "texturey" are various MineCraft character skins, which are not original Alex/Steve but closely related to them. Can you point to what you're seeing?
- charcircuit 4y ago
  In ekoerp1/eaglercraft-1.15-Final-Release The lwjgl-rundir/ folder contains the default minecraft assets. javascript/classes.js contains a lot of symbols from a decompiled version of the game. sp-server/src/main/ contains many decompiled classes. The classes.js file has a lot more than what is here If you start up a local server you can load html files in the repo and it will load the game right up.
  - mlyle 4y ago
    It looks like you're correct-- the last two bundles are in the "built" state and thus contain the minecraft code. The other bundles that I pointed to do not contain any assets or code from what I can tell (other than the skins mentioned above).
    - charcircuit 4y ago
      The first one does too. I also found a full minecraft.jar in the 3rd one. The eaglerarchive/eaglercraftx-1.8 repo does not seem to be violating copyright and it is still on github. The DMCA mentions taking down repos named "eaglercraft-beta". If you search for a mirror of this on google you will see the repo contains copyrighted material.
melony 4y ago
They are going after it because it directly competes with Microsoft through piracy. Mojang provides (unofficially) Minecraft source code class maps for decompiled code through the Mod Coder Pack which is maintained by one of their staff. This is the foundation (client+server) modding frameworks like Minecraft Forge and Fabric are built on. Decompilation tools already exist and the Minecraft source code is an open secret. Their line in the sand is piracy at scale. https://docs.minecraftforge.net/en/1.19.2/gettingstarted/#migration-to-mojangs-official-mappings https://docs.minecraftforge.net/en/1.19.2/gettingstarted/#mi...

iudqnolq 4y ago

The DMCA bans that too. > (2) No person shall ... provide any technology ... that... > (A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; > (B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or > (C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201- https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201-

mlyle 4y ago
> The DMCA bans that too. This is erroneous on multiple levels. 1. The DMCA takedown provision doesn't apply to circumvention devices: only direct infringements of copyrighted works. 2. Notice the "primary designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing..." "has only limited ..." etc. Format shifting Minecraft to the web has value beyond whatever authentication mechanisms are lost.
- iudqnolq 4y ago
  > The DMCA takedown provision doesn't apply If you mean the notice-and-takedown system in Section 512 of the DMCA you're correct, that isn't the relevant section of the DMCA. But if this software is an anti-circumvention technology than it's illegal for GitHub to host it under a different section (see my citation you replied to). So GitHub accepts other kinds of takedown requests, including anti-circumvention takedowns, and acts on them if it determines that would be appropriate [1]. > Format shifting Minecraft to the web has value beyond whatever authentication mechanisms are lost. I don't know enough to predict how a court would rule on that. But I'm pretty sure the necessary analysis is much much more complicated. [1] https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/content-removal-policies/dmca-takedown-policy#c-what-about-circumvention-claims https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/content-removal-polic... (added in edit)
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