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> They can literally leave school and already be professionally competent. Do you have evidence for that? No training makes someone professionally competent,
by wolverine876 4y ago
> They can literally leave school and already be professionally competent.
Do you have evidence for that?
No training makes someone professionally competent, only being a professional does. Even people who go through intense years of law school or medical school, studying directly and interactively with world-class scholars and peers, in actual labs and courtrooms, are not professionally competent lawyers or doctors. People with PhDs are not professionally competent professors.
But focusing on training: I don't just accept any training when hiring. What evidence do you have that videos on YouTube provide a similarly high level of training? The Internet is filled with nonsense, misinformation, and disinformation, and it's clear that people don't make the effort to discrminate between that and truth, and between just any truth and the best knowledge and training. I'm certainly not giving someone or YouTube the benefit of the doubt.
A strong counter-signal is someone saying they learned from "YouTube", which is like saying they learned from "a book", and demonstrates a lack of discrimination or even an awareness of it - here is someone who lacks even the awareness that it's problematic.
And learning from a video or a book has never been a high standard of training; it's been a pejorative - 'they learned to be a doctor from a book'. It's just not the same at all as interactive learning with an expert (a professor), with peers, with a diverse cirriculum, resources such as labs, an institution geared toward creating effective learning programs. Again, it shows a lack of discrimination and judgment, and of even enough thought and skepticism to be aware of the issue.
People like YouTube because it's convenient, and because it's trendy they can get away with not questioning it (and dismissing these issues). I hire people who are committed to being the best, who think deeply, skeptically, and insightfully. I don't want to hire those who make serious decisions - such as their career preparation - based on convenience and who turn over analysis and decisions to the Internet crowd-think.
Anecdotally, I've had people assert that to me how informative certain YouTube videos are and show me them. When I take the time to research it, most are nonsense - I just lack expertise in the field and couldn't tell by watching (research establishes that people are very poor at that, and I'd guess that the obviously false ones don't get views). I have sought and used some videos from specific sources, but then I'm not learning from YouTube, I'm learning from that person. YouTube as nothing to do with it; the medium has nothing to do with it; if they wrote a book or article I'd have used that.
One way of thinking about the problem: Why is learning from YouTube any better than learning from a book before YouTube?
- rcarr 4y agoNot everyone is doing a job that requires lab work. There are a lot of jobs out there which you can learn to do entirely through Youtube and your own personal projects.
- wolverine876 4y agoStill just empty claims - just like the YouTube videos make. To me, if I'm your interviewer, it looks like you've internalized the fundamental anti-lesson. You can't distinguish BS from accurate knowledge, and you don't even understand that. The BS may get you by on HN but not in a serious workplace. I'm not paying you tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for that. Every other objection still applies - including all the other benefits of college education. What about those issues? Again, why should I trust you and your YouTube training. Also, which jobs?
- rcarr 4y agoThere are literally full courses for AWS DevOps qualifications, Network Administration and the like, with hundreds of comments underneath them saying, “thanks, I passed my AWS cert today because of this course”, “thanks, I got a job because of this course”, “thanks, I got a promotion because of this course”. Here is but one example of many: https://youtu.be/SOTamWNgDKc https://youtu.be/SOTamWNgDKc There are thousands of interviews with people who have taught themselves how to set up businesses, or code websites, taught themselves music, video production or any number of things through YouTube. > Again, why should I trust you and your YouTube training. Because if the person can demonstrate that they can do the job, then they can do the job. Believe it or not, this was how the world used to operate for thousands of years. The whole piece of paper and a university campus thing is a only a very recent development. People got by on experience, competence and reputation. For whatever reason, you can’t seem to accept that whilst there is a lot of bullshit on the internet, there is also a lot of quality, helpful and informative content.
- midoridensha 4y ago>Because if the person can demonstrate that they can do the job, then they can do the job. This is exactly right, but "I watched some YT videos" is not equivalent to demonstrating ability, which I think is the OP's point. If you can learn something from watching videos, and then prove that you've mastered it by actually demonstrating your skill, then great! But if your resume just says "I watched some videos and have zero professional experience", that doesn't count for anything.