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>To me the answer is simple: you don't want a relationship (personal or with an employer/employee) based on a lie to begin with. Personally, if I found out and

>To me the answer is simple: you don't want a relationship (personal or with an employer/employee) based on a lie to begin with. Personally, if I found out and they could actually do the work, I would let it pass. I'd consider it a white lie in that case. I think it's more of a harm to society to use degrees as requirements when they aren't actually required. This too is lying, but you won't see companies facing penalties for putting a degree requirement when one isn't necessary for the job.

the_snooze 3y ago
If you're looking at it from just a qualifications standpoint, then you're right. However, there's more to a person than their qualifications and skills. Judgment and character matter too. If someone were to lie to my face and waited until I caught them before owning up to it, then giving them a pass tells the world that I'm A-OK with deceit as long as they deliver results.
- heavenlyblue 3y ago
  It does say a lot about your judgement if you value a piece of paper more than 10 years of someone's work in the industry
  - salawat 3y ago
    ...the poster values not being lied to their face. 10 years of work to check back on because someone was deceitful enough to lie to your face is a hell of a blast crater, and I'm not taking responsibility for having a flat out liar running rampant in my codebase. If you don't have a degree, don't claim it. If you can still walk the walk, you've still got a chance. If you fail basic due diligence, you're telegraphing your integrity is in question. No one can afford that.
    - heavenlyblue 3y ago
      > 10 years of work to check back on because someone was deceitful enough to lie to your face is a hell of a blast crater, and I'm not taking responsibility for having a flat out liar running rampant in my codebase. Let's be honest, I don't think you would ever actually do that in real life ;)

the_snooze 3y ago

If you're looking at it from just a qualifications standpoint, then you're right. However, there's more to a person than their qualifications and skills. Judgment and character matter too. If someone were to lie to my face and waited until I caught them before owning up to it, then giving them a pass tells the world that I'm A-OK with deceit as long as they deliver results.

heavenlyblue 3y ago
It does say a lot about your judgement if you value a piece of paper more than 10 years of someone's work in the industry
- salawat 3y ago
  ...the poster values not being lied to their face. 10 years of work to check back on because someone was deceitful enough to lie to your face is a hell of a blast crater, and I'm not taking responsibility for having a flat out liar running rampant in my codebase. If you don't have a degree, don't claim it. If you can still walk the walk, you've still got a chance. If you fail basic due diligence, you're telegraphing your integrity is in question. No one can afford that.
  - heavenlyblue 3y ago
    > 10 years of work to check back on because someone was deceitful enough to lie to your face is a hell of a blast crater, and I'm not taking responsibility for having a flat out liar running rampant in my codebase. Let's be honest, I don't think you would ever actually do that in real life ;)