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You are mixing several unrelated concepts. The cryptography export restriction was a US initiative with obvious reasons. The software bans I am talking about

You are mixing several unrelated concepts. The cryptography export restriction was a US initiative with obvious reasons. The software bans I am talking about are from the Chinese side. For example China's bans on sites like google. What Chinese consumer hardware manufacturers did recently (or rather, finally got noticed doing recently) is making their devices into spying toeholds in other countries. Even if nothing of interest to the Chinese takes place on your 17 year old daughter's phone, it's still on your home LAN exposed to the potential large attack surface area of Mom's work devices. Or even worse, imagine a Chinese government ear permanently installed in the middle of our 5g infrastructure. The ideology of the US government does not align with that of the Chinese government. Hasn't for a very long time. The only surprising thing about this whole situation is how long the US went along with Chinese shenanigans. I would have slammed the door on China over 20 years ago.

MichaelZuo 4y ago
That is my point? Governments restricting software, features, etc., whether for export or import, has been the norm for decades. Restricting hardware technology devices is a much newer phenomena. Perhaps the closest tech analogues with a longer history would be how CNC milling machines are controlled, which has been the case since the 90s too.
- Fatnino 4y ago
  Hardware is just a thing for software to run on. These aren't computers where you can just run your own stuff (hopefully). These are phones with embedded firmware and an OS that almost no consumer will change. We can call it hardware but it's clearly a software delivery vector instead.
  - MichaelZuo 4y ago
    > These are phones with embedded firmware and an OS that almost no consumer will change. We can call it hardware but it's clearly a software delivery vector instead. This also applies to modern CNC milling machines. But I don't think anyone would consider them as such.

MichaelZuo 4y ago

That is my point? Governments restricting software, features, etc., whether for export or import, has been the norm for decades. Restricting hardware technology devices is a much newer phenomena. Perhaps the closest tech analogues with a longer history would be how CNC milling machines are controlled, which has been the case since the 90s too.

Fatnino 4y ago
Hardware is just a thing for software to run on. These aren't computers where you can just run your own stuff (hopefully). These are phones with embedded firmware and an OS that almost no consumer will change. We can call it hardware but it's clearly a software delivery vector instead.
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  > These are phones with embedded firmware and an OS that almost no consumer will change. We can call it hardware but it's clearly a software delivery vector instead. This also applies to modern CNC milling machines. But I don't think anyone would consider them as such.