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Specifically the author is talking about a non-Tesla EV, one that had the known defect of lack of a proper charging infrastructure at point of purchase. Nothin

by tgma 4y ago

Specifically the author is talking about a non-Tesla EV, one that had the known defect of lack of a proper charging infrastructure at point of purchase. Nothing to see here. [Talking about Teslas and “EVs” as if they are the same category is like talking about Computer Science and “STEM” in a single category. Often disingenuous and draws the wrong conclusion.]

MuffinFlavored 4y ago
> one that had the known defect of lack of a proper charging infrastructure at point of purchase. Is the charger adapter that you plug in on a Tesla or a non-Tesla not standardized like USB-C to the point where you can go to any station (as long as you have any brand of EV and not an internal combustion engine gasoline/diesel car or whatever) and benefit from it/use it/plug it in? Sorry, out of the loop, I've dodged electric cars.
- borski 4y ago
  Tesla uses a proprietary plug, for now; they are moving to support CCS (and already ship CCS cars in Europe) because they want federal funding for their chargers, and because in Europe it’s the law. You can buy an adapter to use destination chargers (hotels, etc.) but not super chargers.
  - dreamcompiler 4y ago
    You can now buy an adaptor on the Tesla website [0] that lets you recharge a Tesla at a CCS DC fast charger (e.g. Electrify America etc). I have one and it works great -- or as great as EA ever works I should say. I only use it on routes where a Tesla supercharger is not available but it's quite handy for those situations. (The third major standard for DC fast charging, CHAdeMO, is unfortunately dying out even though it is in many ways technically superior to CCS. Tesla previously sold adaptors for CHAdeMO but no more.) [0] https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter EDIT: This adaptor only works on Tesla cars built after ~2020. Search "how do I determine whether my Tesla can support CCS" before buying the adaptor. The issue is about whether the car can speak the powerline carrier protocol that CCS uses.
borski 4y ago
Nonsense. Superchargers are packed; while they work, you’re waiting in line for a charge. Meanwhile, while some folks have had issues with EA, I haven’t, and even if I did, I’d just use a Chargepoint, EVGo, Shell Recharge, or any number of other chargers as needed. Not to mention that I can buy a Tesla charger adapter for like $60 that lets me use destination chargers at hotels, and that Tesla is opening up to CCS charging because they want that sweet federal money. Basically: a Tesla is an EV, and Tesla is no longer on top of the EV game, as evidenced by the recent six price drops in the last year, because they are outinnovated and now trying to outprice their competition instead of innovating. You let me know how your FSD, which is “coming by the end of the year,” does for you. I’ve got some bridges to sell in Brooklyn.
- tgma 4y ago
  Anecdotally, even in Tesla heavy Northern California supercharger wait times are often zero or close to zero unless you consistently hit the peak times. I don’t know if you have stats or bad first hand experience or simply generalizing reports from holiday peak times off hand. The expansion of superchargers to non-Teslas may indeed cause problems. So far I have seen perhaps one total non-Tesla vehicle. If anything, that should be a new point in favor of EVs compared to the time the author purchased their vehicle, which makes the article even further disingenuous. I don’t know why you brought FSD into a very specific argument about EV ownership experience. I don’t disagree. Sounds like a canned message from a Tesla hater though.
  - borski 4y ago
    The implication that Teslas were somehow superior and outside the category of other EVs. I don’t hate Teslas; I just consider them another EV, with some pros (the supercharger network) and some cons. Elon and the FSD nonsense is one such con. I only brought it up because he just promised it again by the end of this year, and it set off a spate of people going “Tesla is the best” when we’ve all seen this story before. I credit Tesla with kicking off the revolution; I don’t even dislike their cars. I’ve enjoyed when I’ve rented them. I just think they’ve stopped innovating in recent years, and frankly, I wish they would. More competition is always good.
quijoteuniv 4y ago
I think the attitude of the CEO trickles down in the kind of people that buy Teslas. This translates in the way the drive their car around. Not everyone of course, some just are interested in the EV, But is almost that like buying a car allows you to have the CEO attitude, is maybe that what they are selling?
elihu 4y ago
Of course there's something to see here. Lack of reliable, open, vendor neutral charging infrastructure is a major problem.

by tgma 4y ago

MuffinFlavored 4y ago

> one that had the known defect of lack of a proper charging infrastructure at point of purchase. Is the charger adapter that you plug in on a Tesla or a non-Tesla not standardized like USB-C to the point where you can go to any station (as long as you have any brand of EV and not an internal combustion engine gasoline/diesel car or whatever) and benefit from it/use it/plug it in? Sorry, out of the loop, I've dodged electric cars.

borski 4y ago
Tesla uses a proprietary plug, for now; they are moving to support CCS (and already ship CCS cars in Europe) because they want federal funding for their chargers, and because in Europe it’s the law. You can buy an adapter to use destination chargers (hotels, etc.) but not super chargers.
- dreamcompiler 4y ago
  You can now buy an adaptor on the Tesla website [0] that lets you recharge a Tesla at a CCS DC fast charger (e.g. Electrify America etc). I have one and it works great -- or as great as EA ever works I should say. I only use it on routes where a Tesla supercharger is not available but it's quite handy for those situations. (The third major standard for DC fast charging, CHAdeMO, is unfortunately dying out even though it is in many ways technically superior to CCS. Tesla previously sold adaptors for CHAdeMO but no more.) [0] https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter EDIT: This adaptor only works on Tesla cars built after ~2020. Search "how do I determine whether my Tesla can support CCS" before buying the adaptor. The issue is about whether the car can speak the powerline carrier protocol that CCS uses.

borski 4y ago

Nonsense. Superchargers are packed; while they work, you’re waiting in line for a charge. Meanwhile, while some folks have had issues with EA, I haven’t, and even if I did, I’d just use a Chargepoint, EVGo, Shell Recharge, or any number of other chargers as needed. Not to mention that I can buy a Tesla charger adapter for like $60 that lets me use destination chargers at hotels, and that Tesla is opening up to CCS charging because they want that sweet federal money. Basically: a Tesla is an EV, and Tesla is no longer on top of the EV game, as evidenced by the recent six price drops in the last year, because they are outinnovated and now trying to outprice their competition instead of innovating. You let me know how your FSD, which is “coming by the end of the year,” does for you. I’ve got some bridges to sell in Brooklyn.

tgma 4y ago
Anecdotally, even in Tesla heavy Northern California supercharger wait times are often zero or close to zero unless you consistently hit the peak times. I don’t know if you have stats or bad first hand experience or simply generalizing reports from holiday peak times off hand. The expansion of superchargers to non-Teslas may indeed cause problems. So far I have seen perhaps one total non-Tesla vehicle. If anything, that should be a new point in favor of EVs compared to the time the author purchased their vehicle, which makes the article even further disingenuous. I don’t know why you brought FSD into a very specific argument about EV ownership experience. I don’t disagree. Sounds like a canned message from a Tesla hater though.
- borski 4y ago
  The implication that Teslas were somehow superior and outside the category of other EVs. I don’t hate Teslas; I just consider them another EV, with some pros (the supercharger network) and some cons. Elon and the FSD nonsense is one such con. I only brought it up because he just promised it again by the end of this year, and it set off a spate of people going “Tesla is the best” when we’ve all seen this story before. I credit Tesla with kicking off the revolution; I don’t even dislike their cars. I’ve enjoyed when I’ve rented them. I just think they’ve stopped innovating in recent years, and frankly, I wish they would. More competition is always good.

quijoteuniv 4y ago

I think the attitude of the CEO trickles down in the kind of people that buy Teslas. This translates in the way the drive their car around. Not everyone of course, some just are interested in the EV, But is almost that like buying a car allows you to have the CEO attitude, is maybe that what they are selling?

elihu 4y ago

Of course there's something to see here. Lack of reliable, open, vendor neutral charging infrastructure is a major problem.