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Exactly. Half of those achievements are space related and the guy responsible for them (Korolev) spent 6 years in the Stalin's gulag that he barely survived, hi

by asats 3y ago

Exactly. Half of those achievements are space related and the guy responsible for them (Korolev) spent 6 years in the Stalin's gulag that he barely survived, his life was cut short at 59 probably as the result of the traumas he received there and who knows how much more he could have achieved if not for that.

yogthos 3y ago
Yeah, half of those achievements are just rocket science. Seethe and cope harder.
- asats 3y ago
  I'm not downplaying the achievements, I'm saying they could've been a lot greater if the system didn't try to mutilate and murder it's author.
  - nefreat 3y ago
    You're right it could've been a lot greater however you should apply the same analysis towards the USA as well. If you're black you're all but barred from participating in the space program. This was only recently acknowledged in a Hollywood feel good movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Figures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Figures The space program was bootstrapped by Nazis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip I'm saying they achievements could've been a lot greater if the system didn't try to mutilate and murder it's subjects: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/history/40-years-human-experimentation-america-tuskegee-study https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/history/40-years-human-exp...
    - asats 3y ago
      That is a travesty and a loss for everyone, but you cannot compare those two things in good conscience. >All the while they were actively preventing 399 men from receiving the same treatments. And: >The emergent consensus among scholars is that, of the 14 million prisoners who passed through the Gulag camps and the 4 million prisoners who passed through the Gulag colonies from 1930 to 1953, roughly 1.5 to 1.7 million prisoners perished there or they died soon after they were released.[
      - nefreat 3y ago
        I just picked one egregious example to compare to Korolev and other researchers that suffered. If you want to compare systemic examples like the Gulags then the Jim Crow system that effectively instituted slavery [1] and likely killed way more than 1.7 million people. Alabama alone imprisoned 200,000 blacks as effectively slaves[2]. Again I am not trying to dismiss the crimes of the Soviet Union but I almost never see the same analysis applied to the US. [1] https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploitation-of-incarcerated-workers https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploit... [2] https://www.newsweek.com/book-american-slavery-continued-until-1941-93231 https://www.newsweek.com/book-american-slavery-continued-unt...

by asats 3y ago

yogthos 3y ago

Yeah, half of those achievements are just rocket science. Seethe and cope harder.

asats 3y ago
I'm not downplaying the achievements, I'm saying they could've been a lot greater if the system didn't try to mutilate and murder it's author.
- nefreat 3y ago
  You're right it could've been a lot greater however you should apply the same analysis towards the USA as well. If you're black you're all but barred from participating in the space program. This was only recently acknowledged in a Hollywood feel good movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Figures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Figures The space program was bootstrapped by Nazis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip I'm saying they achievements could've been a lot greater if the system didn't try to mutilate and murder it's subjects: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/history/40-years-human-experimentation-america-tuskegee-study https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/history/40-years-human-exp...
  - asats 3y ago
    That is a travesty and a loss for everyone, but you cannot compare those two things in good conscience. >All the while they were actively preventing 399 men from receiving the same treatments. And: >The emergent consensus among scholars is that, of the 14 million prisoners who passed through the Gulag camps and the 4 million prisoners who passed through the Gulag colonies from 1930 to 1953, roughly 1.5 to 1.7 million prisoners perished there or they died soon after they were released.[
    - nefreat 3y ago
      I just picked one egregious example to compare to Korolev and other researchers that suffered. If you want to compare systemic examples like the Gulags then the Jim Crow system that effectively instituted slavery [1] and likely killed way more than 1.7 million people. Alabama alone imprisoned 200,000 blacks as effectively slaves[2]. Again I am not trying to dismiss the crimes of the Soviet Union but I almost never see the same analysis applied to the US. [1] https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploitation-of-incarcerated-workers https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploit... [2] https://www.newsweek.com/book-american-slavery-continued-until-1941-93231 https://www.newsweek.com/book-american-slavery-continued-unt...